Ronald Harvey Osborn
Something of a long shot after so much time has passed.
I have the log books of the above who was killed in a crop spraying accident in July 1963 flying a Hughes 269A for Management Aviation. I would like to return them to the familly if possible. I spoke to Alan Bristow (who appears in the books as an instructor) a number of years ago and he thought the familly had moved to Moulton Northamptonshire. Last known address was MYOB, Overstone Road, Sywell, Northamptonshire. He learnt to fly in Rhodesia and spent the war instructing. After the war he converted to helicopters with John Fay and Alan Bristow as instructors. He was engaged on Whale spotting in the South Atlantic on Westland WS55's from 1954 till 1961. He then went into general charter flying including some early film and police support for Rent-A-Copter LTD at Luton before joining Management as a crop spraying pilot. He did some spray work in the WS 55 as well in 1960. Any leads on surviving familly members would be much appreciated. One interesting entry notes a passenger as John Lennon (beatle)!!!!! |
One interesting entry notes a passenger as John Lennon (beatle)!!!!! |
Can you give me any details of the time he spent in Rhodesia? I may get a clue of some kind from that, it's a small community and despite the diaspora, one that has kept connections.
If you have any names, you could look them up on : Names of Rhodesians Worldwide |
Hi Savoia
John Lennon trip 22 June 1963 Battersea-Staverton Hiller 12C G-ARTG Aircraft returned to Bourn on the 23rd and he took it spraying on the 26th. He converted on to the Hughes 269A 5/6 July (at the moment reg not confirmed, probably G-ASBL) 1hr 25mins. He started to work with it on the 12th July and was sadly killed on the 18th. Total time on type 30hrs and 10 mins. Total time 3347hrs. |
Hi Capetonian
His pilot licence lists him as British, born London, 4 April 1924. I just noticed he was a member of the Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators of the British Empire. He flew from Mt Hampden, Norton, Thornhill all Southern Rhodesia. To be honest it's strange reading his hand written entries from this period when I know what the eventual outcome will be. |
Hi..have pm'd you.
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There seems to be a small mystery with this accident as G-INFO does not appear to supply a suitable candidate for the crashed aircraft. Foreign reg unlikely at that period.
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Are you saying that G-ASBL was the accident aircraft?
There are a details for an accident in 1964 but .. it is non-fatal. ASN Aircraft accident 27-OCT-1964 Hughes 269A G-ASBL |
What a magnificent gesture Eric.
This moves me to think how well does pprune archive? Over the years there must be some incredible information and or research data stored in these columns. I have seen other websites where they became plundered, or crashed and lost heaps of data. I think PPrune has a lot more to offer than pretty much any other helicopter site, it would be nice to know that it is stored well and easily retrievable. Since all of the material is given freely, so hopefully it would be available to descendants freely. I see John Fay's name mentioned, I always reckoned his book was the best I ever read on the subject, got me through my exam at 98 1/2% anyway. regards tet |
Nothing on RWW, I daresay you would have looked anyway. I will get onto my ex-BSAP contacts and see if anything can be traced. Most of them are younger, born in the 40s-50s, but you never know.
I have one contact who did some research into the RRAF and he may provide at least a clue. |
I do not know which aircraft it was, ASBL was my first candidate but on re-reading the G-INFO database it seems unlikely.
I have emailed the AAIB who were helpful with a previous accident inquiry, so hopefully some poor soul will be blowing dust off some very old files in the next few days. I will post any forthcomming info. |
Apart from Fay and Bristow other names that stick out are Keith Sissons,
Ken Sheppardson (ex Bond chief pilot), Dennis Cox (engineer still working in 1999). John Crewdson (Helicopter Hire) |
Capetonian,
He was very likely a British RAF ab-initio pilot trainee who learned to fly in Rhodesia as part of the of the RAF pilot training system which trained Commonwealth pilots at airfields South Africa, Rhodesia and Canada during WW2. |
Thats spot on ADROIGHT.
My apologies for the lack of detail but it would take a lot to go through all of it. He learnt to fly at 28 EFTS Southern Rhodesia. He began as an AC2, and was gradually promoted to LAC, SGT, F/SGT. First flight 20 Sept 1943 Tiger Moth 7926. Flight test 16 Nov 1943 83hrs 55mins. Posted to 20 SFTS Cranborne S.R Looks like a Harvard conversion and advanced training. Awarded wings 21 April 1944 265 hours 10 minutes. Posted C.F.S Norton S.R Instructors course 1 May to 26 July 1944. Posted SFTS Thornhill S.R Instructor till last flight 25 Aug 1945. Declared redundant 1 Nov 1945 Enlisted RAFVR 29 Aug 1950 Flew as an instructor mostly with 4 BFTS at Sywell Began helicopter flying 5 April 1954 in Westland WS51 G-AKTW and ALIK with John Fay and Alan Bristow as instructors. |
I certainly have various notes on old accidents in my loft, but right now is not the time to get them. However, there's lots on the net, and my research comes up with these notes and thoughts.
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There may (just) be a tv doc in what you are doing.
Its hard to know where your search will end, could be interesting... or not. Suggest you contact one of the UK production companies asap so they can shoot you doing the searching. Try Wall to Wall productions or Lion TV... Generally they dont like "one-off" docs but it may fit in with a series they have planned. Beware that how you are portrayed would be out of your control. Mickjoebill |
If you google Hughes 269a accident ,on page 2 under Worldcat Org ,it mentions a crash at High House Farm
Heckingham Norfolk, on 18th July 63. Better still google Hughes 269a N8785F-----------That takes you to the National Archives. |
Papa Smurf
Now that is interesting, when I last looked at this I am sure I found a reference to a report on the fatality from the Norwich coroners office. I cant find the link now which is a pity. Helihub Thanks for the Jo Osborn email, I have sent a message so fingers crossed. Email just bounced back, bugger. Lots of Osborn(s) in the Wellingborough area. Looks like a sesssion of phoning round. If Management aviation was the operator and the aircraft was on the N reg then it sounds like a trial. So possibly they binned the idea after the accident. Apparently the ag manager "Curly" Truslove (sic) was still alive a few years back and he would definitely know. I have an engineer contact from the early days of Bond/Management and I will give him a call to see if he remembers anything. Mickjoebill Fine idea, but as I am terminally non photogenic they would have to get a stand in!!! |
The internet is a wonderfull thing, the National Archive mentioned by Papa Smurf lists an AIB accident report to Hughes 269A N8785F operated by Management Aviation on 18 July 1963. Six documents on file but not digitised so you have to request them. I think I will do that if not too expensive.
So I think that ties the aircraft down. So the search goes on for relatives. Thanks to all who have assisted so far. |
Nice to see that something still works in this country.
Sent request for info to the AAIB late last night and a copy of the accident report drops on to my email at 10.27AM. Many thanks to the staff at AAIB. The aircraft was owned by Westland helicopters and was on lease to Management Aviation. The pilot had completed his last flight of the day and hooked the skids under the topmost cable of a set of power lines while leaving the site. He had done 6hrs 20mins on the day so probably tired and suffered a loss of concentration. |
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