Why is that? Oh yea, civvies no cok all about operating helicopters.

Pavlov :ok:

Oh dear - I was wrong - but not for the reason P3 automatically surmises:ok:

No MG

Dartmouth training and Pusser's Ego issued! :E:ok:

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No it's not. Landing in ad-hoc field locations on NVG in weather well below most operators' weather limits is somewhat challenging though.

The guys were a little caught out. Cut them some slack, most of us have been there if not somewhere close. I don't remember too many civvy SAR types jumping on Prune every time there was a slightly 'embarrassing' incident for military SAR.

I think people are getting a touch bored with the sour grapes from some quarters. Time to move on.

And a contract requirement at Schedule 2.1 (Specification), 4.1.1.1.2, for 10 degrees in any direction.

The stats are out today!

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ter-statistics

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...september-2015

Llamaman - not sure why you think it is sour grapes when I make a comment on something someone else has posted - perhaps you need to move on and revisit things I have posted with a slightly more open mind:ok:

Jim - pretty stat-tastic - excellent use of colour and pie charts;)

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Crab,

I'm not sure if moving on and revisiting are compatible? ;)

Yes, the DfT probably weren't sure if helicopter guys could do proper graphs and tables. :E

So you can't change your mind about something and see something old in a new light??;)

Jim - no indication of training hours flown though?

Why would you expect that? :ugh: Rescues, searches and transfers are the outputs the British public and their servants at the DfT require and there are those numbers in glorious colour just as they were in the DASA reports in glorious black and white.

Some details like 'persons moved' that appeared in DASA reports are absent but not a great loss. The important thing is that reporting of key data about the work of DfT contractor SAR aircraft that has been absent since 1988 and criticised within the civil service and publicly since at least 1998 (NAO) is now to be regularly published in the public domain. Result! :ok:

The previous absence of public reporting has been widely and repeatedly criticised over the years. I can claim to have done my bit by raising the subject within the DfT/HMCG chain of command at up to AD level, with MPs, on the internet and in articles. What have you done about it Crab?

If you need more information Crab then please follow the instruction at the following address.
https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/official-information/

Doesn't apply to SAR jobs.

LZ

Never let the true facts detract from a good story.

Jim, the remark about training hours was meant to be tongue in cheek - maybe I should have use a smiley.

No, DASA didn't publish training hours since we always had so many available it wasn't an issue.

Now that training is limited and all the stats are available, why shouldn't they also be in the public domain?

There are a contracted number of training hours for the new SAR service so it would be useful to know if they are being exceeded (because the crews need the training) and, if so, who is paying for them.

Latest news from the Cave Rescue Organisation. Pictures clearly show the side-slope, which must be very hard to judge from above, in the dark.


Helicopter Rescued | The Cave Rescue Organisation


Helicopter Away! | The Cave Rescue Organisation

Yes, looks a lot more than 13 degrees!

It is difficult to judge, even in daylight, which is why you use your AI to assess when to abort the landing.

Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV

Agreed Crab, hard to put a number to it just by looking. 13 degrees sounds uncomfortably high for a side-slope - it's about 1 in 5.5


And I think I would have moved the crane before take-off!

"Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV"

Just to add, Bristow were also involved with their S92 assets but didn't get a mention.

Yes, I think that was hinted at in the mention of 6 helicopters but not specified.

The evacuation of a cruise liner has been long debated in the Falklands since they can have 2000 people or more on them - there are only very limited numbers of helicopters in the FI so it is just as well the S92s were there.

I presume they were used for winching and not just transferring pax from Cape Dolphin to MPA.

So were BIH with their S61s.

"Bristow were also involved with their S92 assets but didn't get a mention."

The MOD press release gave due credit to both the "Eric's" and BI.

PM

Yes it does - here:ok:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-the-falklands

That's good. Nice to see everyone working together for a happy outcome.
Crab, I'm not sure if they were winching but two of the S92's have winches fitted so I presume they were.

One winching, one ferrying. A great result and good to see all available assets working together during a large scale challenging rescue. Would have been big news if conducted off UK shores.

What the hell would one want to cruise around the Falklands for?

The wildlife is pretty spectacular at this time of year but that is it!:ok: How much of it you can actually see from a cruise ship I don't know.

Oh and of course there is the incredible metropolis that is Port Stanley...........where the polupation doubles every time a cruise ship docks:ok:

Yes, a great job - shame it got so little press coverage.

RAF News of 23rd October had a four page pullout feature on SAR Farewell.

A few well known faces from Lossiemouth, Chivenor and elsewhere, including ppruners.

John Prince is quoted as saying "Everyone on SAR should be presented with the AFC when they join - if you don't screw up you should get to keep it when you leave." Not sure there is a SOP for that at the Central Chancery of the Order of Knighthoods but I know what he means.

Some copies still in recruiting offices.

At home to Mr Cock up?
 

There wouldn't be many then ;)

There I was thinking SAR pilots drew satisfaction from achieving a difficult task and helping those in trouble. Now I see things are measured in column inches and medals.

John Prince was renowned for spouting pompous bo**ocks so don't tar us all with the same brush.

If you want proof, try and find the TV series about SAR he was in during the 80s.

Happy flying with any of those guys.




And here is some pompous b0110cks for you.
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=ST...IIAQ%253D%253D

See the boys and girls in the Falklands have been hard at work again. What is the HIFR capability of the 189 or will it not need to?

With an aircraft range of 600nm (AW) and a contracted minimum radius of action of 150nm, probably not.

Some have been casting doubt on the range/RoA of the SAR version but so far I haven't come across anything firm to suggest problems at the UK SAR Helicopter Service Lot 2 RoA of 170nm, so good to go for the Falklands 150nm.

That's alright then! South Georgia here they come...

:eek:




Feeling lucky? Hospital de Portvenir anyone?

Porvenir
 

Distance Port Stanley - Porvenir/Puntas Arenas
487 nm
SLB

Add in 30 knot head wind, I'd go for Rio Grand. Who knows with a new boss there we might be welcomed.