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HeliHenri 30th Dec 2012 16:56

Video of a 350 crashing into water at Copacabana
 
Fortunately, the end is happy :ok:

This is an aircraft of the Navy Fire Dept of Rio during a rescue operation (swimmer in distress)

Helicóptero de resgate cai no mar de Copacabana - Vídeos - Assista todos os vídeos publicados - O Globo - Catálogo de Vídeos

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Hughes500 30th Dec 2012 17:02

Didnt look like an engine failure as there was no yaw although the coning angle looked great. Not vortex ring, ran out of power ?????

Anthony Supplebottom 30th Dec 2012 17:42

Crikey!

What's all that about then?

Why would it just "run out of power"?

Flyting 30th Dec 2012 18:47

There is no way that B2 or B3 ran out of power...
Sea level, you could probably put another 6 adults in there and hover.


"It's the first time it happens with a corporate aircraft, and still do not know what caused the accident. Just know that the crew were rescued alive, with only minor injuries," said Simoes.

Low RPM lights on and horn, said the pilot...
from Heliops on FB

Anthony Supplebottom 30th Dec 2012 18:58

Please try not to mention HeliOps too much on this forum!

There's a good chap. ;) :E

toptobottom 30th Dec 2012 19:04

You can clearly see the temporal aliasing effect in the TR caused by the decaying RPM, which would indicate a loss of power.

USL-Toad 30th Dec 2012 19:22

The pax hanging out the door gets back in pretty sharpish possibly suggesting hearing something wrong or a heads up from the aircrew? Suggesting the problem may not have been instantaneous?

HeliHenri 30th Dec 2012 19:47


The pax hanging out the door gets back in pretty sharpish possibly suggesting hearing something wrong or a heads up from the aircrew
;) Well ..., this is an aircraft of the fire dept and the "pax" is a rescue diver part of the crew !

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albatross 30th Dec 2012 19:57

Strange one - looking at the spray he was into wind - so Vortex Ring or Settling with Power unlikely.
Looks like a power loss of some kind. If so they did a good job on the ditching- flare, level, cushion - splash.
Glad everybody got out and no rotor parts broke off and headed for the beach.
Gotta say the people in the water were swimming to the rescue in quick time - good on them!

Cleared-HOT 30th Dec 2012 21:12


Please try not to mention HeliOps too much on this forum!
At least the poster is giving proper credit to where he got the info from which is more than most members here do..:D

Senior Pilot 30th Dec 2012 21:24


Originally Posted by Anthony Supplebottom (Post 7602979)
Please try not to mention HeliOps too much on this forum!

There's a good chap. ;) :E

No problems from me,

Flyting 31st Dec 2012 11:05

Thanks Senior Pilot...
Anthony, don't shoot the messenger...

topendtorque 31st Dec 2012 12:19

So - what is wrong with rolling the aircraft into the advancing blade, so's it will take xmon and other paraphernalia out rearwards, thus allowing an organized egress into the briny. Hopefully the door that side in this case will be still locked shut.

Thomas coupling 31st Dec 2012 12:57

Topendtq: You really think he (a) knew about that phenomenon and (b) gave a s*it:eek: He kept it level (ish) which probably saved the loose cannon in the back form being catapulted thru the windscreen.
Lucky boys!

SASless 31st Dec 2012 13:00

Why do folks insist upon flying over water without Floats?:ugh:

chopjock 31st Dec 2012 13:02


what is wrong with rolling the aircraft into the advancing blade
Presumably this would have to be done whilst still having rrpm high enough.
What's better, roll with high rpm or loose rpm and splash level?

chopjock 31st Dec 2012 13:26

Interestingly the tail rotor stopped turning before the main rotor, indicating a drive failure after hitting the water.

topendtorque 31st Dec 2012 13:45

TC,

will enjoy meeting you one day and many of your countryfolk.

cheers tet

toptobottom 31st Dec 2012 13:46


Interestingly the tail rotor stopped turning before the main rotor, indicating a drive failure after hitting the water.
At the risk of sounding confrontational, why is that interesting? Spinning at 2,000 rpm ish and hitting the water is inevitably going to cause a TR failure :confused:

Anthony Supplebottom 31st Dec 2012 13:48

Flyting - did you see my smiley faces? There's a clue for you there!


Why do folks insist upon flying over water without Floats?
Because its more convenient. Because "we're not going to have an emergency". Because installing emergency floats is time consuming. Because the aircraft is lighter without them.


Interestingly the tail rotor stopped turning before the main rotor, indicating a drive failure after hitting the water.
It is very likely that on impact the t/r driveshaft was rendered ineffective. Look at videos of Squirrel crashes and almost always the very first thing to happen is a loss of structural integrity to the tail.


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