I love Siam's finely developed palate.... (NOT)

From his tw1tter page

Ha I am not Siam.

I know him and a few others on here.

But I love your thirst for conspiracy.

Ricorigs, you obviously don't understand the rules either. :=

During my pilot training, RAF "wings" were awarded after successfully graduating basic flying training school (BFTS). Post grad students were then entitled to wear them at AFTS, on the OCU and also onto their first operational squadron. However, pilots were not entitled to retain the wings badge (as in wear them afterwards) if not successfully achieving Combat Ready status. I think there was a time limit on this, too, either 6 or 9 months. If a pilot couldn't subsequently achieve CR (hopefully he could with further training) then he was suspended, or removed from further flying as pilot i.e. chopped. However, if he was re-roled to another type of aircraft and successfully achieved CR on another squadron, then no problem whatsoever with keeping the flying badge.

In 1977, due to the high subsequent "chop rate", pilot wings were not awarded until after AFTS. I was at RAF Linton on Ouse when the change occurred (before we completed the BFTS course; we trainee pilots and those on subsequent courses had to wait another 18 months or so).

P.S. I've used the past tense because it's quite some years since I was wearing RAF wings but I'm certain the rules on this will not have changed. I've never worn RAF wings since leaving the service, even though I do still fly for a living.

Question:

I don't have a Tw1tter account but I just wanted to know - was Tw1tter created specifically with twits in mind?

Ricorigs and Siam,

The bottom is Siam is not entitled to wear RAF wings, furthermore he is breaking the law if he is using them on a flying suit to advertise. The rules haven't changed if you don't crack CR and are removed from Trg/Sqn you loose the right to wear them.

Ivor

Breaking the law? Really? Better get the police round then or start a civil law suit against the guy.

I'm not entitled to wear my late grandfather's OBE ... but I do. Better send the police round to mine after. :}

Cheers

Whirls

I must admit having looked at Siam attending his business networking meeting wearing a flight suit I do wonder...

Perhaps he watched Topgun and was impressed. I am not suggesting that Siam is Gay, but there are certain quarters where the wearing of such clothes does suggest something "special" when worn outside a working enviroment.

..... so it was never really the navy after all
 

goldie - fantastic!
so it was the crabs all along!
AND the moustaches !!!! - it all makes sense now - tally ho chaps !

so these 'wings' ( ;) ) Siam is wearing have a deeper significance then?
in that case i don't think it's fair to mock anyone for wearing RAF wings if THAT is what they are trying to show - even if they weren't strictly speaking fully 'initiated' - he wants to 'identify' with the moustachiod types then why not?

no idea who he is but leave him alone, let the guy try and survive, it ain't easy out there ... denied a pension for life and protection from the harsh reality of commercial survival he's 'having a go' - show the guy some slack

I'm sure that anyone with sufficient intelligence to wish to become a successful financial adviser would also wish to show the highest standards of personal integrity and honesty.

:suspect:

Shy,

I think that things may be different these days. The big point in a pilots career these days is completion of a Conversion To Type course.

Thats when flying pay, reckonable service and tour lengths are worked from.

CR is so varied and is only applicable to a specific skill set required for an Operation (Afghansitan, Libya etc) It is no longer a "one size fit all" status as a pilot.

Back in the day someone became CR.......then was always CR. Not right in my mind!

Was it ever different?

.....about the flying badge, though, someone should be in a position to find the relevant rule.

ShyTorque: Oh yes indeed!! Perhaps we should introduce him to the Directors of Longmint. I am sure he'll get along just fine. He might learn a thing or two after all he is at the start of the game and they are at the end [sticky]:}

Best Wishes

Siam - you poor bugger - lamb to the slaughter once Pprune gets its teeth into you. There are some dogged posters on here that won't leave any stone unturned to get to the bottom of it all. RIP.

PS: I seem to recall the wives of us venerable naval aviators were allowed to wear miniature wings on their posh frocks at functions...does that mean they were impersonating the Gods too? Have mercy on them as they know not what they do.......:E

A little bird told me that persons close to Siam have been very upset about this thread and want it to go away....

Why does he not fight his own battles? Perhaps his skills with a keyboard match his skills in the kitchen.... Coronation chicken and corned beef, when did they serve that in the Mess or was that on his E&E course?

Perhaps the reason he has not fought back was that the military did teach him one thing - the ability to withstand someone taking the p1ss out of him. Black humour can be very cruel.

Thomas coupling: .
Cannot speak for fish heads mate but pongo's have one. A small gold broach for the ladies.

Best Wishes

goldeneaglepilot: Unless 'persons close' bother to read these forums, then I see no problem with them just getting on as if nothing has happened. I doubt Siam will go about telling everyone - hmmmm or would he?
You can only fight if you have something to fight about and/or with. He has neither.
For some the 'black humour might be the interest here but for others - well I suspect a slightly less generous attitude about the matter. You go into any industry/work place/environment and start 'gobbing off' and this is exactly what you will get as a minimum. It could be worse, I'd keep a low profile until everyone gets bored.

Best Wishes

A.Againcourt

I totally agree with your thoughts, his action are disrespectful and egotistical to say the least. To try to use his Military service to give some respectability and credibility to his business ventures was not bright.

To quote one thing you said (which in my opinion is good advice)

I shall keep that quote for the next time I hear something about CFS or a reference to prior military service from anyone when said reference is made to validate some claim to contributory experience. Or...would that be seen as unfair?

It is not the mere claim that has urked some but the extent of the claim as I see it. Point out the false statements if you can document your allegation. Working off "my memory", "it used to be..." and that kind of comment is fraught with peril I would think as one might just be caught off base if one somehow misstates the situation for what ever reason.

There are some very tall horses in the paddock recently. As in most anonymous mob scenes....some things are said that in private and personal venues would not be said.

Simply put....."Cool your Jets, Ace(s)!"

I feel that had he had a long and distinquished service in the Military then it would have been fair to refer to it. But....

And to parade around at networking meetings in a flying suit.....

Most on here seem to be forgetting that his website is not meant for us, its aimed at Joe Public who believe that because of his 'sevice' he will provide a better sevice.
So is he just trying to over sell himself or is it an attempt to mislead the public? He is neither the first or last to do this within the helicopter world.