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gellis 27th Oct 2011 07:52

Guimbal Cabri down at Kemble
 
Reports of a small chopper on its side at Kemble this morning?

Thomas coupling 27th Oct 2011 08:26

Probably napping. catching some Zzzzz's before the day starts:O

HeliCraig 27th Oct 2011 08:58

Although no details on it, HeliHub is reporting that a Guimbal Cabri was involved in something at Kemble yesterday.

26-Oct-11 G-UIMB Guimbal Cabri G2 Kemble, UK | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source

helihub 27th Oct 2011 09:14

thanks HeliCraig. I will add more details when available. I understand Bruno Guimbal will be on site today

gellis 27th Oct 2011 09:50

I understand that it is not on its side but rather looks like a problem with a skid - it is reported as covered so not easy to see what the problem is

FLY 7 27th Oct 2011 10:50

I hope it's nothing serious.

I'd like to see the Cabri doing well and developing bigger variants.

Thomas coupling 27th Oct 2011 13:21

Puncture.....?

ShyTorque 27th Oct 2011 14:30

Very tricky to deal with, those skid punctures. :D

bvgs 27th Oct 2011 20:49

I believe there is an STC for run flat skids:O

206 jock 28th Oct 2011 10:02

Piccy and a bit more detail here

Eye witness report alleges that at around 30', it 'started to spin, the engine quit, and it dropped in' (not my words).

With the recent Dutch accident, there must be a little concern at the Cabri factory.

jonwilson 28th Oct 2011 12:49

Cabri
 
Never buy the A model of any helicopter I was told many years ago. I believe in it.
Hopefully nothing wrong with the Cabri but with the recent 66 accidents there could be some sense in this.

Helinut 29th Oct 2011 19:48

Unless you like taking risks buy version 2.1 - same as software :ok:

The only manufacturers who manage to do their own development testing make road vehicles.

MartinCh 29th Oct 2011 22:49

30' and 'spinning'? That suggests low airspeed. Max perf take off?

Whatever happened to design or engine, looks pretty crashworthy, as per the original reports on G2 thread. I hope all the bugs get ironed out and Cabri does well.

Puma51 30th Oct 2011 22:14

Bad statistic
 
With the few helicopters out in the field and the many accidents the G2 already seems to get a bad reputation. Overconfidence into the new design advertised to be so much better than the Robinsons? 5000ft hover at ISA? Increase power available please!

ChippyChop 1st Nov 2011 19:52

Crikey I'm not surprised that poor little thing fell over with that 747 bearing down on it

helihub 3rd Nov 2011 11:38

Let's put the speculation aside once and for all. Helicopteres Guimbal has issued the statement below. Their openness and clarity on the incident is evident and many have congratulated Bruno for his enlightened approach, suggesting other manufacturers may like to follow his example.

Here goes.....


We at Helicopteres Guimbal are saddened to announce that two days after receiving its Certificate of Airworthiness from the CAA, the first Cabri in the UK had an incident that will delay its presentation in the country by a few weeks.

Cotswold Helicopter Centre are the exclusive Guimbal distributor in the UK and their first machine – appropriately registered G-UIMB – was delivered a month ago during Helitech, where it attracted a great deal of positive interest.

The helicopter was flying a demo flight with the recently-qualified instructor, when it made a hard landing.Both pilot and passenger suffered no injury.

The damage to the helicopter is limited to the tail and landing gear structure. The rotor blades and the transmission suffered no damage from the hard landing at a high rate of yaw. This is a tribute to the very high control power offered by the high-inertia, semi-articulated rotor, and to the strong structure. The incident is attributed to the pilot having limited experience of Fenestron tail rotor dynamics and European rotation helicopters resulting in loss of control in yaw whilst hovering.

The incident is worth some analysis to make sure that it will not happen again.

In the early nineties, Eurocopter and the British Royal Navy conducted a thorough flight test campaign on a British Gazelle to address a row of similar incidents or accidents involving yaw control. The Fenestron concept was under scrutiny.

These tests eventually proved that the Fenestron was totally free of so-called LTE (loss of tail rotor efficiency), and had always a very high manoeuvrability.

They also proved that the specific characteristics of all shrouded tail rotors require higher pedal inputs in the hover than conventional tail rotors, though its controllability is about 50 % higher.
Eurocopter released several Service Letters, the last dated 2005, to address this matter. The Fenestron is now a reference worldwide in terms of controllability and safety, reducing the accident rate dramatically compared to other concepts.

In the same manner, Helicopteres Guimbal will release a Service Letter to help new Cabri pilots, and particularly those with only counter-clockwise rotating rotors experience, get the best of the machine. We are also modifying our flight training programme in conjunction with Cotswold Helicopter Centre.

The Cabri has been tested to yaw rates in excess of 180°/sec and winds in excess of 50 kts in every direction with great success.

With more than 5000 flight hours in training in the recent years, the Cabri has been proven to provide increased safety, due to its high inertia rotors, innovative seats and fuel system crashworthiness.

The first British Cabri will soon be flying again and we trust Cotswold Helicopter Centre and its instructors to bring it a bright future in the UK.

9Aplus 3rd Nov 2011 13:47

:* Lot of small crash-y incidents - and surprise, pilots are walking away...
No fire, no serious injuries, only damage of airframes....

For me that is more than good reputation, after some obvious mishandling :cool:

My vote goes for Bruno and his positive attitude of resolving / improving of
training and handling procedures. Sure will be space for minor technical
updates, but so far I am more than ready to put my a** in that cage :ok:

FLY 7 3rd Nov 2011 18:13

Interesting explanation. Would that also explain some of the EC120 incidents?

John R81 3rd Nov 2011 22:22

I think what catches people out is related to the sail area of the tail and not the power of the fan v a conventional blade design. Get the wind on the wrong side of the tail and you have an additional turning force significantly greater than would be experienced in a conventional tail design. The onset of rotation is rapid / instant, and the rate of yaw high. It is very easy to freeze or become disorientated and react incorrectly. However, get your right foot in - all the way - and keep the ship level and you will recover. Freeze and you are going to star in a train wreck.

Keep thinking of the wind and it won't happen

Note - my experience is 120

birrddog 3rd Nov 2011 22:35

John, would that be from a gust or when turning tail into wind, or both?

If it was a sail would the aircraft not weather cock into wind? Or the pilot reacting with delayed control inputs keeps the rotation going?


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