PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Rotorheads (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads-23/)
-   -   MD 600 down near Jena, Germany (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/437990-md-600-down-near-jena-germany.html)

franktion 29th Dec 2010 17:03

MD 600 down near Jena, Germany
 
In the eastern region of Germany a MD 600 crashed on Thursday 28th of December. The Copter was chartered by a local grocery store and supposed to wipe snow of the store's roof with it's downwash. Witnesses report a loud noise only seconds after takeoff and smoke coming out of the turbine. The chopper fell down from approximately 30m. Pilot and Co suffer from major injuries, an employe of the store suffers only minor injuries.

Winterchaos nimmt kein Ende: Klirrkälte und Neuschnee in Deutschland - News - Bild.de

http://www.dtoday.de/cms_media/modul...isserstedt.JPG

Keine neuen Erkenntnisse zu Hubschrauber-Absturz | Thringen | Dnews.de | Nachrichten auf einen Blick

ShyTorque 29th Dec 2010 17:30

"You shop, we drop" isn't supposed to mean that......

Hope the injured folks recover fully and speedily.

Shawn Coyle 29th Dec 2010 21:06

Hope they had the snow deflectors on, and had made sure the roof was clear of snow before liftoff..

mfriskel 29th Dec 2010 22:22

No snow deflector on the 600. Long fairing forward of the rotor mast and the air inlet is on top and sides of the fairing, aft of the main rotor head.

mickjoebill 29th Dec 2010 22:43


The Copter was chartered by a local grocery store and supposed to wipe snow of the store's roof with it's downwash.


How effective is the aerial snowplough technique? Presumably used to remove loose snow that could fall and hit shoppers?




Mickjoebill

molen 30th Dec 2010 16:07

Snow clearing
 
The helicopter involved is D-HHWR RN055 operated by Sky Heli

Many buildings with a flat roof are not constructed to bear a lot of snow.

With heavy snowfall they tend to collapse.

Building regulations are not complied with.

Solar 31st Dec 2010 02:04

How do they go about this? Do they approach carefully from the side or drop vertically slowly from above. Would either technique not result in additional pressure on the roof.
Whats wrong with a couple of lightweights with shovels?

Hughes500 31st Dec 2010 07:19

sounds more like a publicity stunt thst went wrong !

lelebebbel 31st Dec 2010 07:27


Whats wrong with a couple of lightweights with shovels?
Generally not a good idea to climb on a roof that's already creaking under a big load of snow, no matter how light you are.

Yellow & Blue Baron 1st Jan 2011 06:52


Generally not a good idea to climb on a roof that's already creaking under a big load of snow, no matter how light you are.
How about a cherry picker then?

Clearing snow off a shop roof in what is presumably a built-up area using a single engine helicopter - something doesn't seem right about this arrangement!

YBB

Runway101 1st Jan 2011 08:20

Seems to be quite common in Germany, see video below:

Schneeräumen à la Amerika: Mit dem Hubschrauber - zoom.in - Video - sevenload

(text says you would expect something like this in America, but it's in Zwickau/Germany)

Hughes500 1st Jan 2011 08:38

Unless it is very fine powder snow cant see a heli being that effective

Earl of Rochester 1st Jan 2011 08:47


Unless it is very fine powder snow cant see a heli being that effective.
My thoughts exactly.

ShyTorque 1st Jan 2011 08:52

This would be classed as illegal low flying in UK.

Nubian 1st Jan 2011 09:55

Shy,


This would be classed as illegal low flying in UK.
Hardly a surprise...
Now, what isn't illegal in the UK then? :E

Happy New year, and safe flying!

ShyTorque 1st Jan 2011 10:30

Folks do like to criticise the UK flying rules and regs and some try to use them as a way of jibing at those who must work under them.

For the record, I'm also highly frustrated by them at times. Not least the cost and time factor in getting exemptions or for permissions to carry out a particular flying task. Especially as I was brought up on the far less restrictive military low flying rules.

But it would be difficult to disagree that this accident gives credence to the UK's "500 foot rule".

An aircraft destroyed and three people injured. Looking at the photos, all of them are very lucky not to have been killed.

EN48 1st Jan 2011 13:26


Clearing snow off a shop roof in what is presumably a built-up area using a single engine helicopter

So ... perhaps a multiengine helicopter would do a better job? :E

Hell Man 1st Jan 2011 13:43

The merits of heli-snow-blowing aside, does anyone know the flight profile ie. what happened that resulted in the bird sitting broken on the road?

PPRuNe-dudes must have seen this a hundred times but, for those who haven't and seeing as we're on 600's - the classic 'hard landing' by a US Border Patrol ship:



HM

JimL 1st Jan 2011 14:19

Not only the UK 500ft rule but the ICAO 500ft SARP - I'm not sure that any State files a difference.

However, this is Aerial Work which might be permitted in any State if a risk assessment had been carried out.

To state the blindingly obvious, a risk assessment would have this as a 'reasonably probable' outcome on the basis that most engines have a likelihood of failure of 1:100,000 flight hours. It might also be difficult to justify deliberately being in the HV curve with more than one occupant?

No, a twin would be twice as dangerous with a probability of failure of 2:100,000 and a similar outcome (unless it had OEI HOGE).

Jim

Runway101 1st Jan 2011 23:51

In Switzerland it's not uncommon to blow the snow out of trees with Helicopters, to avoid fallen trees blocking roads or somebody getting hit by a tree. A friend of mine was almost hit in her car by a falling tree in 2008. The car behind her drove right into it.

http://www.baselland.ch/uploads/pics/880_3.jpg


All times are GMT. The time now is 13:42.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.