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sunnywa 18th Nov 2009 04:09

As much as the flying would have been a hoot, if I had a choice, the Aston Martin is the vehicle I would have chosen. What a great day out:D:D:D:D:D:):):)

farmpilot 18th Nov 2009 04:58

As someone who spends a lot of time in the back doing exactly this kind of job I cant help but think this was a bit off mark.

Yes it's great fun, looks amazing and is a real rush but for those reasons alone I feeling this was either poorly thought out or more likely actually a stunt to enhance the show.

Aerial cameramen have at their disposal many new (not so new now) tools to choose from that get far more dynamic shots in a far more safer environment. In fact you can almost limit the exposure to zero in most cases. Loosing a motor is almost a non event now as both the crew and the camera can walk away from it. Obviously there are risks but I would hazard a guess and say that if anything had gone wrong on that shoot the aircraft would have been bent, people hurt and the industry as a whole condemned.

As an example, during the filming of District 9 we were tasked to film convoys, shoot outs, car chases and riots. All of this was filmed within the existing laws of South Africa, no special permissions required.

He was a good cameraman though, very impressive!

Trans Lift 18th Nov 2009 05:32

Looked like a lot of fun to me too. Cars or heli I would've been more than happy.

I once did a scene for a german movie (not a porno) in which I was driving a land rover as fast as I could down a very dodgy road on the west coast of ireland with a JetRanger up my ass. I wish I had been flying it, although the driving was fun!!

Top Gear is one of the most entertaining shows on TV by a long shot!:ok:

iainms 18th Nov 2009 05:52

Good heli work and good Top Gear is back !:ok:

Non-PC Plod 18th Nov 2009 08:17

Ronin,

I'm not gnashing any teeth, I'm just saying (and farm pilot seems to back me up on this) that with a bit of thought and professional planning, it could have been done differently.
As for learning to fly - perhaps people who have had to put themselves in real danger enough times are more selective about putting themselves in danger when it is not necessary?

FLY 7 18th Nov 2009 08:43

I wasn't passing any judgement in my OP.

It was simply interesting that, after all the aeial work TG must do, this was the first time that the camera helicopter has appeared in shot, and Clarkson made specific comment - implying that this helicopter was getting closer to the action than normal.

Personally, I'd be happy to see Top Gear ditch the cars and go 'aviation'. Afterall, Clarkson loves aircraft and speed, May has a Decathlon, and Hammond has an R44 R2. So they are all enthusiasts.

Bravo73 18th Nov 2009 08:44

FWIW, back in the UK, the BBC are particularly risk adverse and incredibly stringent when it comes to selecting approved helicopter operators for filming. I'd be very surprised if these sequences would've been approved if they were filmed in, say, the Lake District.

chopperpug 18th Nov 2009 08:53

Ummm...... really??
FFS. It was a TV show, yes its made to look flashy, thats the whole point. Yes, they may have been able to do it safer, but maybe that wouldnt have given them the shots of the Heli they wanted? As someone else said, driving the 3 cars down the road had more exposed risk, for a longer period, than the heli. And maybe they don't have all the fancy camera gear in Romania to do it any differently. As for the rest of the flying, I don't see any problem with it at all, there was no overflying of public gatherings or buildings at low level, clear area, obviously he was aware of the wires and no doubt had done a very thorough recce of the area before hand, as all of us should.
At the end of the day, maybe the hover on the road was a risk if he had of had an engine failure just as the vehicles were approaching. But then, every day at work I fly over a whole bunch of stuff, both on dept. and app. that if my donk were to withdraw its enthusiasm for life, I would be up the ****ter too, Just like every fire pilot, or sling pilot, or various other jobs that we use these wonderful machines for.

Calculated and accepted risk.

Its either that, or go wrap your self in cotton wool, and don't live a life. :ugh:
If the rest of the world turns out to go the way of the Nanny state, I will give up flying I think. Well.. I would have to, because we wouldnt not be able to do the sort of work that I do in that case. :yuk:

Mark Six 18th Nov 2009 09:14

Clarkson's favourite helicopter...
 
I flew JC around earlier this year in an AS355N. Footage should appear on an episode of TG in the new series if it didn't get edited out. His wife was lying down across the back seat so that she didn't appear in the shot of us landing. Clarkson said his favourite helicopter is...the MD500.

Bravo73 18th Nov 2009 09:39


Originally Posted by Mark Six (Post 5324269)
Clarkson said his favourite helicopter is...the MD500.

Really? He told me that it was the Apache that he went in... ;)

Mark Six 18th Nov 2009 11:04

Yeah, I was a bit surprised at his choice. Made me doubt his judgement on cars as well. He had recently been in NZ where he did a fair bit of flying in 500's so maybe that influenced him.

JimBall 18th Nov 2009 13:00

"Presumably another chopper hovering next to the B3 to get the shot of it hovering over May's head?"

No - a crew on the hillside above.

mickjoebill 18th Nov 2009 15:02

slip sliding away
 
Without being there, it is not possible to make a sensible judgement on how this flight was conducted.

Flying with a cameraman shooting from a side door creates a set of flight restrictions and pilot pressures that in the past have been significant factors in accidents where controlled flight into terrain was the cause.

To date there have been, by comparison very few accidents due to controlled flight into terrain involving nose mounted gimbals. I think only one (flying too low over heaving seas)

In Top gears latest escapade, a nose mounted gimbal would have provided more sense of speed and enabled shots looking left right and backwards at 120 knots, probably a good choice if shooting sports cars!

But a $200? per day Romanian cameraman is a lot cheaper than a $2000 per day stabilised camera.

If there had been no sign of the cameraman (as is the case when using a gimbal) Clarkson would have said what a great job the Romanian pilot was doing:ok:


Mickjoebill

JimBall 18th Nov 2009 17:50

It was an English cameraman flying on an AOC flight.

PH-SCP 18th Nov 2009 20:08

Good observation ! YR-CBO is a B3 model (cn 3544)

rotorrookie 19th Nov 2009 01:13

Looks like a normal car commercial or car movie shot to me.. surely it can look like a cowboy stunt, but in this landscape the best spot to be at if the engine desides to take a break is above or close to that road,
To me, the most hazard there for low level flying was all the power lines there
Neat shots but nosemount would have made the pilots day lot easier thoug.

12Watt Tim 19th Nov 2009 10:07

I suspect everyone involved knew enough to make a rough assessment of the risks and judged that their enjoyment and the completion of the job justified those risks. Life is full of risk/benefit analysis, many of them less obvious than this one. Individuals should be allowed to make those judgements for themselves where they have the necessary information.

Looked a whole lot of fun on either end of the the camera :ok:

Helinut 19th Nov 2009 10:15

12Watt Tim,

You have my vote for European President :ok:, but you will have to bang a few bureaucrats heads together to achieve your aim, and make a lot of lawyers unemployed :D

mickjoebill 20th Nov 2009 12:04


It was an English cameraman flying on an AOC flight.
It is anyones guess why Clarkson referred to him in the story as a Romanian.


Mickjoebill

Blue Rotor Ronin 21st Nov 2009 20:57


Ronin,

I'm not gnashing any teeth, I'm just saying (and farm pilot seems to back me up on this) that with a bit of thought and professional planning, it could have been done differently.
As for learning to fly - perhaps people who have had to put themselves in real danger enough times are more selective about putting themselves in danger when it is not necessary?
Non plod. I'm ex SAR. It's the frantic perfunctory rush to condemn a pilot operating near the margins without any knowledge of that pilot's physical environment or skill level on that day. Armchair condemnation. Annoying. That's all.. :ok:


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