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Davey Croppet 11th Jun 2009 23:14

Why Captain?
 
I cannot help but notice the jerks in our small industry that call themselves "Captain". I've seen it on letters, business cards, you name it. Whatever happened to Mr?

I have flown in the military and have various civil ratings, including 412 and 332, but I wouldn't dream of using such a title.

Whilst most of us act in a professional manner and have huge amounts of responsibility, pilots in general are uneducated, usually without tertiary qualifications and have rarely finished secondary school.

For the jerks out there that feel that they need to hide behind a title, I bet you couldn't captain a girls netball team! Remember, a bus driver also wears 4 stripes! But then again, we are just glorified bus drivers!

Comments invited

Croppet

Whirlygig 11th Jun 2009 23:27

Inverted snobbery is just as bad. :rolleyes:

A lot of pilots, helicopter or otherwise, DO have tertiary edication; in some cases :O quatenary (?) education.

And others are well-balanced with a chip in both shoulders. :}

Cheers

Whirls

PHP 12th Jun 2009 00:17

I couldn't agree more with Croppet!

alouette3 12th Jun 2009 00:20

For someone who is a probationary pruner with just three posts under your belt since joining this forum this month, you certainly have cojones to bad mouth the very group you want to be a part of. So, in your exalted opinion, someone with more "education" can call themselves captain but not otherwise? Oh yes, since when did training for, and receiving, a professional license and maintaining it for years and years not count as education? No wonder helicopter pilots are under compensated throughout the world. It is because of opinions like yours.:ugh:
I know what everyone wants to say to you and are keeping quiet because they are professionals.But I will show no such restraint.
You are a :mad: !!
BTW, I do not call myself Captain ,since I am in a single pilot operation and it would be pompous to do so. But I do have a couple of degrees and what's more, respect for people regardless of their education. That's a whole lot more than what you have.
Alt3

HR GREENIE 12th Jun 2009 00:52

Does this mean Ill have to start calling my Autopilots Captain ?

Teefor Gage 12th Jun 2009 00:56

I used to deream of being a hicopleter Capitain, and now I are wun!!

Well said aloutte3. It seems obvious that DC doesn't really have any "civil" ratings!

heliduck 12th Jun 2009 01:04

Why port & starboard instead of left & right?
Why fore & aft instead of front & back?
Why engineer instead of mechanic?
Why do we board an aircraft but get into a car?
Why use Nautical miles?

An educated aviator would have made the connection to the marine days of the past which were carried over to aviation. Personally I agree that people who drive helicopters shouldn't be called Captains, as extrapolating the old marine terminology the captain doesn't drive the ship does he? He just tells everyone else what to do. I suppose they figured if the mechanics can call themselves engineers then dammit I want to be called a Captain!!!

madrock 12th Jun 2009 01:08

.......always wanted to Captain a girls netball team:cool:

Flying Lawyer 12th Jun 2009 01:09

Davey Croppet

Why Captain?
I don't know about Australia but in many parts of the world, including the UK,
that is the proper title.

Using Captain in a social context would be OTT but in a professional/business context it is absolutely correct.

Unnecessary (or false) modesty plays into their hands of employers who, for their own financial motives, try to diminish the status of professional pilots. If professional pilots describe themselves as "just glorified bus drivers", that's how they will be treated. That attitude may well be part of the reason why many pilots are underpaid.

Professional pilots are entitled to be proud of the qualification they have achieved and IMHO should be proud of it.

I wouldn't dream of using such a title
That's your choice; it doesn't mean professional pilots who take a different view are "jerks.
"
Your criticism of, and offensive comments about, those who are proud of their profession says more about you than them.


Comments invited
Since you ask (and to use an expression of yours) -
When I read your post, my immediate reaction was: What a jerk. :rolleyes:
Then, on reflection, I thought perhaps you're not really a jerk and either you'd had too much too drink before posting or were simply trying to provoke a reaction.



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SASless 12th Jun 2009 01:42

FL,

When does one become able to use the term "Captain"....upon obtaining a Commericial License, ATPL, command of a crew served aircraft? Does one ever lose the claim to the use of "Captain" once gained....say if one returns to flying single pilot....or losing one's medical certification?

I never did grasp the finer points of "rank" as used in the British Social Structure....something about Men wearing Garters gave cause for thought while trying to figger this out. Seemed an odd thing for grown men to hope for....remembering my humble American heritage which handicaps my understanding of such things.

It seems in the US of A....one has to be an Airline Pilot-in-Command before being crowned a Captain....or having a USCG comericial license or being in command of your own vessel....something bigger than a "boat".

Davey Croppet 12th Jun 2009 02:00

(I never did grasp the finer points of "rank" as used in the British Social Structure....something about Men wearing Garters gave cause for thought )

LOL

Croppet

HR GREENIE 12th Jun 2009 02:12

Captain Kurk, Captain Stubing ,Captain and T,Niel, Captain Jack Sparrow , Captain Sensible , Captain Feather sword , Captain Free love , I,I Captain, anyone else see a pattern ?

baldebanger 12th Jun 2009 03:08

It sounds like Captain "Alou..tte 3" keeps a log book of his posts on this site! More posts than hours?

As for you Davey Croppet, you could at least show some respect to your fellow pilots and use the term "coach driver" :-)

Captain Banger!

spinwing 12th Jun 2009 03:11

Mmmmm .....

Should I ..... shouldn't I (respond) ....... Oh crapp it I have havn't I !

CAPTAIN SPINWING :E

MightyGem 12th Jun 2009 03:16


(I never did grasp the finer points of "rank" as used in the British Social Structure....something about Men wearing Garters gave cause for thought )
LOL
So, is that the only response that you have to replies to your original post?


Troll.

VTA 12th Jun 2009 03:39

CAPTAIN !!!!!! You guys are all a bunch of pu--ies !!!! Real helicopter pilots are COMMANDERS....Hang on...Thats only 3 bars.......s--t !!!!

VTA

floatsarmed 12th Jun 2009 04:00

Capitanos?
 
DC.

1. Who cares?

2. Netball is a fast and dynamic game played by yummy mummys.

3. The correct term is 'Coach Captain'

:ok:

Floats Out.

Um... lifting... 12th Jun 2009 04:05

Football, I think...
 
I like to be called Marshal Air Marshal (I wear six stripes and some pips as well...)


traumajunkie 12th Jun 2009 04:23

I'm not too fussed about rank & title; I just have the netball team glass anyone who doesn't salute me. ;)

Never in Balance 12th Jun 2009 04:26

Well i guess she has a point.... it is a "football"


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