E 69 I am sorry but you just can't compare a car to an Aircraft.

As for the Gentlemen in the IAA some of them do have Both FAA and JAR licenses and you can search the airmen date base on FAA website,

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...y/default.aspx

Why not?????????

This has been a massive problem in Ireland for the last number of years and have heard all the IAAs plans to address it....blah blah blah

How can a US registered Aircraft operate in Ireland in whatever manner it wants and the regulator has no say!!

I am sure a legal challenge would remove those who care to sit on the fence in Ireland ;)

Funfinn, i think you will find that you absolutely can. Just because the IAA is still in the stoneage and changes havent happened in a long long time doesnt mean that we should give up all hope. Im sure you will find that the government has update its policy and rules in relation to the import and use of america cars in Ireland in recent times...why doesnt the IAA do the same with aircraft????

I sincerely hope that the Irish Times article proves accurate.

I'm with Electric69 on this! The analogy with an American Car is spot on! You can't bring an American car into Ireland, leave it American registered & drive it on an American Licence with no comeback from the Authorities here in Ireland.
Take it a step further & you're now operating this vehicle as a Taxi in Ireland on American Plates......how would that be fair to all the Irish Taxi operators??

& yet an American Helicopter, an FAA PPL & away you go......:ugh:

It's certainly time that the IAA took hold of this problem by the short n curlies! Which brings me back to the Irish Times article....

He wasnt the only shark in the pond......still another dozen or so to be reeled in!!!

Does it work the other way round can you take an Irish registered helicopter to USA to operate?

Small problem with your logic....this was not a taxi for hire....it was a private limo. Weren't it?:ouch:

SASless is right, if it's not for hire you don't need an operators licence. You wouldn't need a Taxi licence for your own limo, right? (Well Micheal O'Leary does, but that's a different story)

If you want to stop people flying there private choppers on an N-Reg with FAA licences in Ireland, do you also want to stop the US Airlines from flying their Jet's into Ireland if the Pilot doesn't hold a JAA licence and the bird is on an N-Reg??

Might sound stupid, but at the end it's the same story, a FAA pilot flying an N-Reg in a foreign country.....

However, i do think the IAA should have the right to question the pilots and owners/operators of these aircraft whenever they want. I hope the new rules will help to make flying in Ireland a little bit saver.

RavenII,

I'm afraid that you're wrong. It's not all 'the same story'.

A foreign registered aircraft visiting a certain country is very different to a foreign registered aircraft being permanently based in that same country.

Bravo,

well, good point. I kind of agree.

In a small country like Ireland it might be very easy to prove where an Aircraft is based, especially if it's a Heli.

But where do you draw the line in bigger countries and, let's say, with a privat BBJ or a Lear? Not that easy.........

But like i said, i kind of agree with what you say.

In a number of European countries it's not allowed to fly on a FAA or ICAO license for that matter in a European registered aircraft. There's also the rule in some countries that a resident of that country cannot fly on a foreign license. In France a French pilot is not allowed to fly on a FAA license in an N-Reg as well.

In the US you're not allowed to fly N-Reg unless you have a FAA Pilots Certificate (full or validation)

So it would be quite easy to make it impossible for Irish citizens to fly on a foreign license without at least a validation.

Funfinn2000:
helicopter reported down in Ireland (EI-SBM)
Views: 14,163 Replies: 99

Helicopter Crash In Bettystown Ireland (N933BH)
Views: 28,631 Replies: 197

Granted, two completely different accidents in Ireland, but just interesting to see twice the interest.

Roofus Who is it unfair to if a FAA PPL flies an N reg helo in Ireland? :confused:

As for protecting work, if a country wants to protect work for a particular group it can make a law to just that.
Should aviation regulations be used to protect work?

What problem? :confused:

B.

From examining the AAIU website (Helicopters only):

27 x EI-Reg Acc/Inc (15 Acc)
13 x G-Reg Acc/Inc (7 Acc)
4 x N-Reg (3 Acc) (Not including Bettystown)

Summary out of the full list of reports, assuming this is complete.

None of the N-Reg accident/incidents was maintenance related.

Without wanting to comment on this particular incident.1) Can charter flights be carried out using N registered aircraft within a European Country/Sate.:confused:

Not being familar with the first event, my comment should only be considered partially informed. That said, the Bettystown event seems to have several otherwise unrelated elements, each of which merits its own "interest group" for commenting. Probably two or three distinct elements of this flight would merit their own thread. The fact these these otherwise unrelated all were associated with a spectacular crash, puts everything in one place for comment. No surprise to me that the comments have occurred.

I've learned that crashes usually occurr because of the combined effect of more than one out of place/wrong element. It would not seem like maintenance was a factor in this crash, but I certainly can see more than one other element combining to create an unsafe situation. Thank goodness it was not a lot worse!

Speaking personally, I've been holding back quite a few opinions on this one, for the very reasons confirmed, of the use of posts by the media.

The owner/passenger of the helicopter, and it's pilot, are not high on my "want to get to know" list.

Pilot DAR

Pink panther, the answer is no that charter flights cannot take place without the correct AOC unfortunately it seems to happen quite a lot here in the UK and I also understand it happens in Ireland and the rest of Europe particularily with jets, I also believe that a few G reg helis that have crashed in the past are in this category and also the recent EI helicopter is also under investigation. So N reg dont have the monoply

Preliminary Report
 

Only in Ireland
 

What a fantastic name for the investigator. Paddy Judge. You couldn't make stuff like that up.