from H-300 to R22
 

Hi everybody...i have a question for all the pilots :eek:

Do you think that pilot a R22 is very different from pilot a H-300??

The problem is that i am going to take the PPL with a H-300 here in my country and after i will go in south africa for some moths and i will fly a R22....

do you think that there are big differences between the two elicopters?
some hours of trainig are sufficent or is more difficult??

Thank everybody....and sorry if my english is not very good!!
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Well, they are both different, but if you take a couple of lessons with an instructor in an R22 you should be fine.

In my experience my students that moved from the 22 to the CB300 had an easier transition than the guys that came from the CB300 and moved to the 22.

But hey, they both have a main and a tailrotor, so it can't be THAT different ;-)

The important thing is that u get your proper training on the Robi (but that's the same with every helicopter)

Don't just hopp in and fly it, (i guess there is no SFAR73 in South Africa), and you will be fine......

Robi is more fun anyway :ok:

SH300 to R22
 

As a new pilot, I'd suggest you endeavour to do the initial training on the type you intend to fly.

The two bladed R22 is very type specific in handling and the 45 hours or so you will be doing with an instructor will consolidate that type handling and knowledge.

If you have to learn on the 300, then my view would be you should fly around a further 20 to 30 hours on the R22 with at least 75% of those hours with an experienced TRE/TRI.

Good luck with your flying.

DennisK

ya...i have to pass a proficency check before fly with the R22!!

however i also think that if i am able to fly a H-300, after a couple of hours on the R22 i will be able also to fly it!!

(i hope so...:uhoh:)

dennisk...you think that i have to fly for about 30 hours beore i am ready??
mmm...there are a lot!

It really depends on your skills.

Just don't take it on your own if you don't feel comfortable with your auto's.

But i guess the guy who will sign you off to take his Robi for a spin will take care about that.

I recon as a fresh PPL on the CB300 you will need 10-20hs with instructor if you wanna be on the safe side..........

oh...this is not very good....I hope it will take less hours...but probabily you have right....

:ugh:

RPM Control
 

Hiya - Also you will have less RPM control to deal with in the R22 as it's governed. Good luck.

In Vertical magazine from December 2003, there is an comparison of both types, I have it somewhere as an pdf file, I'll send it to your eMail when I find it.

Now, from what I know, it's easier (and cheaper) to train initially in 300, and then go for R22, than the other way. Plus the 300 is a bit safer machine. But that's the case if yo want to fly both.

Right now there are more Robbies flying around, and many operators fly the R44, so if you're thinking about a job, then going through the R22 only, than R44, and than a turbine will be much more effective. At least that's what I figured out ;)

ya i know that H-300 is more safe, powerfull and easy than the robbie....but i had no idea that the difference were so big...

...I am also planning to continue with CPL and find a work...mmm...is very difficult to make a choiche now....:ugh:

While the general rules of helicopter aerodynamics apply to both helicopters, you will find the feel of each different from the other. I learned in the 300 then did a transition into the R44. While the engine control was easier due to the governor, the controls gave me conflicting signals in the area of feel due to the angle of the handgrip. Also the sensitivity of the controls was quite apparent. Besides the 300, I have time in the BH206, BH212, AS350, R22 and BH47. Based on my observations and experiences, I do not like the 22 or 44. They do not fly like any other helicopter out there. I think you will find these machines will take you more time to transition into that you think.

Matteolo..

Do an hour in the R22 and an hour in the S300CBi to see what one you feel most comfortable flying, i myself am tempted to jump into the 300 when i start my CPL but i think im gona go with the R22 and get more hours on it..

It is my understanding that the H300 (S269) CB is a closer match to the R22, the CBi is superior and the 300C is far superior.

300CB has a carburettor so in that respect, it is similar to an R22. As for superiority rankings of CB, CBi and C, I think you'll find the hourly rates reflect that!!! :}

Personally, I found flying a Jet Ranger after a Schweizer easier than an R22!!!

Cheers

Whirls

'ya, I know the H-300 is more safe'

Not so sure about that. R22s aren't exactly falling out of the sky because they are scrap. No helicopter is perfect. The R22 and H300 have their good and bad points both. There is very little margin for error in the R22, thats for sure. But if you can fly the 22, you can probably master any other single as well. The low-G problem is well-known and easily avoided. The H300 is very stable in comparison but overall the 22 makes for a better pilot. I did my PPL in the 22 and the transition to the 44 was fairly easy. Have a little experience in the H300, H500 and B206 and handling-wise, the 22 prepares you well for all these machines. To go from the H300 to the B206 would be quite a jump given the different way the cyclic is set up in both machines. Go for the 22, it'll pay off in the long run.

If you were going from R22 to the H300, then a couple of hours should do it. Since you are going from the H300 to the R22, I think DennisK's advice is a good one.

The R22 will be faster, less forgiving.

Monk

...so is more easier jump from an R22 to a 300 than the contrary...
...I had no image that the R22 was so complicated and more difficult that the 300...

It's not THAT more difficult, in many aspects i think it's even easier (Just think about the stupid runup in a CB). It just needs a little more attention and "the gentle touch ;-)"

About the more safe aspect: I'd rather have an engine failure in an R22 than in a CB300, the Robbi glides at least a few feet, i agree that its easier to autorotate the CB if it comes to RPM management, but the CB also glides like a rock..........

I don't really get your problem, if you wanna find a job, you need to build some hours first, so why not take the Robbi, invest a few bucks into an instructor, and just go and fly it. What's wrong with having an instructor next to you for a few hours?

That's the same with all machines, you wouldn't move from a R44 to a AStar without getting some proper training, or even from a AStar to a CB300, or whatever......

Raven 11 you are having a laugh, preferring to be in an R22 than in a 300 if the engine quits?????? There is absolutly no comparision, the 300 is far far superior to an R22 in auto and touch down. I will show you an engine off landing in nil wind with a 300 ask how many instructors will do that in a 22 - I bet not many

I went from the H300 to the R22 when i was hour building for my CPL. I would say that it is easier going from the 300 to the r22 than the other way round but i would give it a few more than just 2 hours conversion!!!!
The one good thing is if you loose the govenor in the R22 then you will know how to deal with it:ok: