FAS an accident waiting to happen.........yeah but so is AeroGulf.

Mmmmm ....

"yeah but so is AeroGulf. ..."


So what makes you say that ..... they've already had their shocker! :eek:

Sorry, but Falcon just aren't in the same league as Aerogulf! I think you need to qualify that statement.

Phil

......when was the last time you looked at the place??
Its the new ADA.

Hmm
 

FAS - I was going to speak for them, but really I cant. All I know is that they have a new fleet, everyone I know that works there seems to be competent - based on my time tested theory (Military chop photos) that a good pilot is a good person!!!!

Aerogulf (I work there) - an old company, old fleet but a lot of old experience. Unfortunately, as much of the middle east, changes take time, but every thing is in place to recreate our previous 30 year non-fatality record. We have made significant changes to pretty much everything!

I would, in the interests of flight safety. like to hear a little more re why these companies are a "accident waiting to happen"

I can promise you now, you will get a free pen, and probably a tee-shirt if you help us identify areas that are safety critical!

word on the street is the "significant changes" made in the engineering shop have caused quite the turnover of staff a la ADA..

Mmmm ...

JB ...

Sounds like the usual "load of Bollocks" that goes around .... I happen to know of one EXCELLENT engineer traveling up the road to AeroGulf and he wouldn't be going there if it were a bad move ....

Might I suggest you check your rumour source!

:E

....er.. doesnt that confirm what im saying about the high turnover of staff, your buddy going there?
Hes going there to replace someone who left..Duh!
Youre a bit slow arent you.

Mmmm ....

J.B.

Yup maybe I am a bit slow .... probably 'cos I've been around for so long ....

But then that also means I know a few people as well .... I don't work for AeroGulf now ..... but I did waaaay back in '80s .... I do however still work in the Arabian Gulf area and I've not heard anything to get concerned about ..... and if there were any safety concerns that WOULD get around.

They were a reasonable company then and from what I KNOW still are. People leave employment for all sorts of reasons as you probably well know.

Perhaps the departure of some is due to the recent financial turmoil as well as the changes in the company structure you allude too .... that happens everywhere ... especially in Dubai at the moment .... if you know anything specific well please go ahead and enlighten us all .... unsubstantiated scaremongering does your credibility no good at all.

Cheers :=

Well said....SW

alright, enough big-noting yourself spin wing.
We all work in the gulf and most of us didnt arrive yesterday.

There are some engineering issues there that have come up very recently, as in since you were there in the 1980s, anyone who thinks it the same company everyone raves about, take a closer look.
You're obviously a pilot so engineering isnt something youd know alot about.
This is a note for the engineers, pilots can think what you want.
As for my personal credibility on this forum, boo F..king whoo!

Mmmmm ...

as quoted by J.B.

"You're obviously a pilot so engineering isnt something youd know alot about."



Oh JB you've done it again......

A quick check of my user profile would again prove you wrong ...

In fact been a Licensed Engineer (Airframes & Engine category) just a wee bit longer than I've been a commercial pilot (since '76 actually) and yes I have held a Chief Engineers position so I do know about the difficulties that those responsibilities hold!

It would seem that you might have some personal issues with AeroGulf and its management ... I'm sorry if I've gotten in your way with those.

Take care :ok:

I i were you i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss my opinion as "a load of bollocks" thats all.

"It would seem that you might have some personal issues with AeroGulf and its management"

Excuse me,Ill let all you guys go back to slagging off at ADA and its management and FAS and its operation and all the personal issues you all have with those companies, didnt realise Aerogulf was so precious to you.

For the sake of the thread ill just say you are absolutely correct there are no problems at all in AeroGulf cause your buddy is going there and you used to be an engineer, right.

I think ive made my point and ill leave it at that.

Jim Beam - Just to clear up your comment about the so called "issues" I have with FAS.

First off I have had an indirect association with FAS since they day they were formed and have a lot of good friends still working there. I have been there on numerous occasions to do photo shoots of their aircraft and featured them in my magazine more than once.

I merely pointed out to those who may be considering going there that they may want to reconsider that idea for the present time due to the involvement of a certain Egyptian beancounter who is causing more havoc than you can appreciate and destroying a great company that many of us have watched grow.

So bottom line - whether Falcon lives or dies has no effect on me or my business other than I will do what I can to help friends find new work and I do wish it succeeds for their sake and that SS gets rid of the Egyptian asap.

With regards to the other companies in the Middle East that seem to get attacked all the time there are always three sides to every story, yours, his and the truth and EVERYTHING is open to interpretation. :ok:

Anyway just my two cents worth.

Ned

JB,

Don't be so quick to throw away your credibility.:=. Without credibility your posts are nothing but empty words!

I know its not long since was brought up but any idea of latest T's&C's for ADA, paygrades p/d,accom, general conditions, hidden snakes under shiny $$$ bills. getting mixed reports from people in industry (mainly 2nd hand info though)

grateful for any current knowledge/input
NB

Re ADA sitrep
 

Apologies for delay NB - into my 2nd week of 6 off, it's a blissful thing.

In the process of dealing with ADA still. At the mo, seems like HR doesn't know what Ops is doing/wants. PM again if needed & I'll explain more.

Also, a colleague just moved over to the SAR ops, not online yet but v happy with his offer so far compared to what he was on at GHC.

Cheers :ok:

jetA1pilot
 

I just left ADA SAR because management did not live up to their side of the deal. Tell your friend to get everything in writing. If he is on the tail end of his career and wants to relax and take up a hobby it will be fine. If he is a motivated individual his skills and morale will wither away quite rapidly.:ugh:

CP?
 

If anyone can help by PM'ing me with the name and email addy of the chief pilot, t'would be much appreciated.

For general consumption
 

I suddenly find myself popular but I won't get used to it :)

As of January 09:

Captain pay is about 10,000 USD per month on site and and around 8000 USD on rotation.

Schedule is 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off. (No 6 and 6) The schedule is usually 48 or 72 hours on and 2, 3 or sometimes more days off. It is a completely random schedule. (but not bad)

The main base is at Bateen (abu Dhabi). Most expats work in Al Ain and another base in the south "Empty Quarter" There is another base near Dubai but mostly local pilots work there. {yes I am purposefully being vague}

Accomodations at the bases are good...private rooms, kitchens, lounges etc (bring your own pif paf)

Living accomodations are good. New villas in Khalifa "A"(Paki engineering aside). You will have a private room with your own bath. It is located near Abu Dhabi Int'l Airport. You'll want a car because it is a construction zone in the middle of nowhere. The other possible place to live is "the labor camp." I refused to live there because it is entirely substandard. It does have the advantage of being closer to the city though. Some people like it and it is worth a trip to the bar(s) for purely historical and entertainment purposes.

You will not get much flight time but the equipment is new and well maintained. The aircraft are/were not equipped for true SAR work. If you are an expat remember you are just a laborer...like someone else said .."if you are there for any other reason than to make money, you are there for the wrong reason."

DO NOT GET INTO DEBT in the UAE. You cannot leave the country if you have any outstanding bills. If you lose your job and can't get another one they WILL throw you in jail.

All things considered it is not a bad place to work and live. Just make sure you get everything in writing and if you decide to leave, do it during your probationary period.

Oh and if you end up there have a beer at 'Captains' for me.

-Cheers