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SASless 2nd Jul 2022 22:03

Brother Dixson,

Were this you in the video?



[email protected] 3rd Jul 2022 06:12


For the negative G part, if you have speed just push the stick forward.
The only problem is that doing that from the cruise, you very quickly end up pointing at the ground with rapidly increasing speed.

A combination of lowering the lever and cyclic forward 'bunt' is the 'safer' way - many military crewmen have been weightless briefly in the back of helicopters like that.:ok:

Less Hair 3rd Jul 2022 06:36

Reminds me of the old promotional film "BO-105 - The flying Tiger" by MBB. Note the desert camo.

AAKEE 3rd Jul 2022 07:32


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11255302)
The only problem is that doing that from the cruise, you very quickly end up pointing at the ground with rapidly increasing speed.

A combination of lowering the lever and cyclic forward 'bunt' is the 'safer' way - many military crewmen have been weightless briefly in the back of helicopters like that.:ok:

Did that during 2K hrs on the BO during the 90’s and some years on in the anti tank role :). After a bunch of years on bigger ‘busses’, I now sit in the H145D3 after retirement from the Air force three days ago :-)
Somehow the burglar always return to the crime scene :-)


skadi 3rd Jul 2022 10:45

Or do it in rollercoaster style, even more fun at the top

skadi

QTG 3rd Jul 2022 12:30

Did my 105 course at the factory in 1978. The groundschool was delivered by a guy called von Englehardt - mate of aforementioned Herr Hoffman, and one of the original project pilots.

He told many stories about the flight test programme. A couple of exchanges will stay with me for ever -

“Ve climbed to 5000’ und ve svitched off ze tail rotor”.
”Why?”
”To see vot vould happen, of course!”

Apparently they built a clutch into the driveshaft for precisely that reason!

And……

”Is it possible to control the 105 without any hydraulics?”

”Ja. Von pilot mit both hands on ze cyclic, und von pilot mit both hands on ze collective.”

Respect. They don’t make ‘em like that any more!

JohnDixson 4th Jul 2022 10:57

No, SAS, that was not me in that movie. Crew was Kurt Cannon Project Pilot on the 67 and Byron Graham, Ch. Engr. Pilot ( who had done the CH-53 loops/rolls movie with then Major Bob Guay, USMC ).
I was inducted into the 67 program just before the demo trip around the US in 1971 as the Project Pilot was unable to travel. Stayed with it after that and did the Europe/Iran demo trip in 1972, both with Byron. Byron was a gem. No matter who was on the schedule to receive a ride, he would fly a tank of fuel with whoever was scheduled, then I’d get the next tankful of front seaters. Got to fly some very interesting people: perhaps General Adolf Galland being the most noteworthy. He was amazing: showed him how to do a split s and a roll and then he did both and the aircraft didn’t know the difference. The picture of the S-67 flying on a sunny day with the Cologne Cathedral below in the background was with General Galland flying it from the front seat. Everyone got the same routine incl those maneuvers and a 3-4 second zero G parabolic push ( well, you know who the competition was at the time ).


212man 5th Jul 2022 10:50


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11255122)
His mention of Bob Hoover......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2-9BL7sllk

The video that gets trotted out every time someone tries to push the '1g barrel roll' myth.......

Bokyag 19th Jan 2023 23:38

Has anyone got a link to the video of the BO105 (or BK117) titanium rotor hub being manufactured in a hammer forge? I have seen it in the past but can't track it down.

hoistop 26th Jan 2023 14:30


Originally Posted by greenthumb (Post 3360124)
I would like to know how it was possible to mix military parts with the approved civil ship and parts??? The mil parts not having a BO105 civ partnumber and no civ ticket. Over the last 20 years it was impossible to use one single screw from the mil ships on civ registered. Germany phased out so many BOs from mil service. To get very cheap. But EC prohibited strictly the use of ex-mil ships and any parts. Very strictly!

And if it was no part in the certification process aerobatics couldn`t be approved on my sight for a civil registered helicopter according to the present rules. But with the power and money of REDBULL...

I spoke with the pilot and walked around one of two D- registered BO-105, used by Red Bull some years ago.
As I remember, he said that the helicopter (built in 1974(!) is basically serial helicopter with no significant modifications, apart from all non-essetial gear removed. Only maintenance is, of course, much more intensive with many inspections, etc. It is a simple fact, that BO-105 was the first serial helicopter with hingeless rotor, and Mr. Bolkow deliberatelly beefed up the titanium hub, as no one exactly knew, how this will work. The result was, that there is a big fudge factor in rotor design, that can withstand a lot of loads, plus the design, where excessive flapping, etc. is not such a problem.
I think that BK-117 has the same rotor hub, even it is much heavier.

Flying Bull 28th Jan 2023 11:19


Originally Posted by hoistop (Post 11374346)
Mr. Bolkow deliberatelly beefed up the titanium hub, as no one exactly knew, how this will work. The result was, that there is a big fudge factor in rotor design, that can withstand a lot of loads, plus the design, where excessive flapping, etc. is not such a problem.
I think that BK-117 has the same rotor hub, even it is much heavier.

Yepp, but with the BK117D2 (H145) the head reached its limit. The bearings need replacements more often and the hub on top needed the screw holes drilled bigger...
Still, something designed for MTOW 2.5to still working on 3.7to is quite remarkable!
For the 3.8 to you now need the D3 with five blades ;-)


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