I believe he hasn't talked recently!! I can normally hear him HERE when he does!!!!

Future Lynx, Hmmmm, this debate is obviously dear to my heart, and I think both Helmut and Sumo put accross valid points, even if they are in different styles??

I just hope that someone in Charge IS listening to what we, the users who put ourselves in the front seat/line in these machines, both want and think!!!

Ray, you are right, it is an option. It's been doing the job for almost forty years in various guises, in fact the one I flew today has over 28000 hours and still works perfectly.(Thats over three lifespans of a Lynx). May not be the fastest, or the most modern, but it lifts lots, goeson for ever, and I wouldn't want to crash out here in anything else!!!(Especially a Suzuki swift!

Yours

Murph x x x

Murph,

Get your head out of your own egotistical bum, smell the coffee which will hopefully give you a reality check.

I am not a staff officer but you just naturally assume that they are blind to the needs of the operator.

What you think has already been done mate...that 'consultation' phase was conducted approximately 4 years ago (I know because I was actually in a crewroom when asked by a load of shiney arses that you happily slag off) Somehow, I feel as though they can't keep on returning to you to ask what your opinion is as the project would never go anywhere.

So to put it bluntly mate you can all try and shut the stable door but the proverbial horse has left town....fully informed and after consulting operators like you and me....but I am sure that if you want to turn back time or catch the horse then off you go. However, if you want to keep the process dynamic, then this forum and associated hot air will get diddley squit......so...courage of your convictions, put it all down on paper and pass it through your boss who I am sure will find the right desk for it to be considered (with the 1000 and 1 other external issues that realistically have to be considered as well as yours Murph).

Just a thought Murph? Its Sunday morning....what on earth am I doing...sad gimp!

Back to bed.....or get back on it...hmmmh...

That will be me told then!!!

Yours

Murph x x x :confused:

[ 04 November 2001: Message edited by: murphee ]

Oasis/Lynx Video
 

Just seen it on VH-1, first time for a while. Anyone like to own up to being on the shoot and give the story? Where was it filmed by the way?
:D

MG

Im pretty sure it was 671 Sqn. I seem to remember an engine failure with the first aircraft they sent down there and if memory serves me right it was Battersea power station. All those that were involved, feel free to correct me.

A mate of mine Al Doughty was in the shoot and it was Battersea power station. They only used one aircraft and the rest is video trickery. I seem to remember being told that the pop folk didn't take the warnings of downwash seriously and some kit got damaged.

It was 2 aircraft and yes the downwash caused a right fracas, destroying I think it was about £20,000 of stuff!! There was quite a bit of smelly stuff flying afterwards within the MoD but fortunately we saw sense and it was put down as good PR. We don't do this sort of thing enough.
Hurrah :eek: :rolleyes: :cool: :) :(

If anybody within HM Forces truly believes that we get the best kit for the job we do for the right reasons you probably also think that somebidy cares when you get shot in NI or at the moment sunnier climes. The people who make the real decisions on what we get couldn't give a rats ar** about what the ideal kit is. It's all about comprimise, poloitics and jobs in the regions or some other crap. The SO2's and above who do all the legwork do their best but they soon learn how the system really works. Sorry but I reckon it was decided ages ago in the halls of financial power that we will get Future Lynx whatever so put your energies into making sure that it is the best Future Lynx we can get. Either that or leave besides after 4000hrs in the Lynx it isn't that bad - is it??

Safe flying!

Regards to all
:confused: :p :) :cool: ;)

I understand that Big John Davies was one of the pilots that flew for the Oasis video - I seem to remember him saying that Liam Gallagher needed a good slap!! What's new? His views on Blur were more favourable!

Hasn't this been round the houses before....run a search on Oasis and that should turn it up

Most of the Guys were 671. JD and Andy M did the first day and suffered a SEF. John E with Al and Andy M with Dave S did the second day. Andy M and Trapper T did the third day. The first two days were with the band and the third was a mop up day for extra shots. The location was just off the easterly runway of City airport at a disused gasworks. There were some issues over NOTAMs and clearances however, there were no formal complaints, and the job got done.

I believe it was Helmut who raised this matter before. The video gave him certain er ... feelings, after copious amounts of Asbach, no doubt, which required Mrs Visorcover (or suitable inflatable substitute) being in very close proximity ;)

Thanks for that guys. I'd sussed the 671 Sqn from the letters on the sliding door. I thought I saw three different ones...but I could be wrong. The old eyes aren't what they were you know.

Sorry to drag this one to the top again, but I've just completed ITD 11!!Fantastic subject!!(Moral understanding for those not in the know)
During the course of the training we were shown an extract from "A few good men"(Demi in White uniform,Mmmm!!), the part where Jack is being grilled by Tom about whether he ordered the code red on the dead soldier. Which he admits in the end!!
This was followed by a long discussion by the Padre as to why this action would be in direct contravention of the contents of "Values and Standards of the British Army" a booklet that EVERY soldier has been issued with, as he was not carrying out his duty of offering the maximum protection from harm to his troops from avoidable, and known about, actions.
When asked if these Lectures are given to the whole of the Army, from the very top all the way down, the answer was "Of course".
My point therefore (See, there was a point after all) is, surely the people in high places have a duty of care to secure us the very best of kit to prevent the above happening.(Harm from preventable events, not Code Reds)and we know future Lynx isn't it!!

Dear AAC,

After spending the vast amonts of HM cash on the very capable WAH64, the AAC will get the battlefield support aircraft it can afford. Afford being the most pertinent word. Those of you living in the "AAC on the battlefied alone" world are living in the past. Get real, as previously stated, it would take a significant amount of SH to support a WAH64 FARP and a few Lynx (or their replacement) will not make much of a difference. Its so easy to say "we want blackhawk" "we want etc etc", most of which are I expect manufactured by our USA friends. I doubt if many of you have ever flown many of the competitors but are just very keen to slag off the UK product (and no, I do not work for Westlands). I dont see much evidence of the USA brethren slagging off their countries products but the Brits make a speciality of having a go at home produce. Call it replacement lynx, BLUH or whatever. Just remember it will part of something larger than just the AAC. You have spent a lot on the excellent WAH64. You must live with the consequences.

Bring on the next lynx. Can't wait.

Pse don't let it leak. Let it have an intermitent window screen wipe and how about a clock that is NVG compatible even when NVG lighting is selected. Anything else would be very welcome.

ps. let it have the same AUM as the navy one too, instead of us having to diet.

And can we please reduce the mandatory oil checks to 3 hours.

(Jeep, I think someones hacked your into your system. Clearly an untruth has been added as the last line of your post).

The shoot wreaked havoc with the flying programme on 671 at the time. In order to save flying hours for the task they ended up canecelling bits of the Lynx Conversion Course going through at the time. 671 ended up cancelling their mountain flying det (the best bit of the course) to satidfy the needs of Liam et al. In my view not really worth all the aggro as the song and said video are pants!!

Still waiting for my Llanbedr landaway - the one and only AAC approved task to incoporate a stay in a hotel. :D

oke guys

i wanna see this vid, where is it?

:rolleyes:

Yep, and can they please put a feed from the heater in the cabin to the cockpit and get rid of the one-bar heater?