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Well (and politely) said Big Mike.

7bal... "in regard to nicks photo. do you see any terrorist bases in the pic. it seems to me that we're looking at a photo of a CIVILIAN RESIDENTIAL AREA being destroyed!"

I think that was the point Nick was trying to make, as he suffixed it with the comment: "This is enough to create a thousand "terrorists.""

If you slowed down and read more carefully, you would see Nick is presenting an extremely reasoned and reasonable approach to the situation.:ok:

Just had a couple of dinners with a guy from Control Risks, and he has some interesting coments to make about the civil contractors out there. Probably best left for now!

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212man,

Do you not think this would be a good forum for information from 'the horses mouth' as the guy who started this thread is clearly looking to go out there?

Lunar

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sorry,:uhoh:

just stating the obvious... and being a loud mouth at the same time. I guess it's not that hard to get worked-up about this war and we all seem to splurge out our thoughts before thinking.

i probably shouldn't be useing the word "Americans", as most americans are now against this war (according to reuters polls). "bush" or the "coalition" is a better word.

bigmike,

No i haven't approached any companies as a hangar rat. i don't see why i should crawl in the dust for a multi-million dollar corporation just to get my license - which i'll probably have to pay off through cheap labour in the next decade after. Instead, ill try super hard at school. get all prerequisites neaded for army aviation. push my way through OSB, and train hard out for the next 6 years at .......oakley?

maybe i'm asking for too much? have your say.

jacob.

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I find this all very confusing. I must have missed something with the change from daylight savings time. Who are the bad guys again?


http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/

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SASless, we all know who the bad guys are. Sure, on some level the war in Iraq is an epic battle between Good and Evil, but so is "The Dukes of Hazard". The question is, is invading another country under false pretense good foreign policy? Is it an effective way to combat Muslim extremism? And, can you dispense democracy from the barrel of a gun? The answer appears to be no, no and no.

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Good luck to you 7balja01,

Firstly finding "Oakley" and secondly getting anywhere in the industry with that sort of attitude. Hangar ratting is probably the best thing you could do at your age as not only will you learn something, but it also means you will meet people that might one day give you a job whether it bit after you obtain a CPL or after you leave the forces. Aviation, whether it be in the civilian world or military is an apprenticeship, no-one is going to treat you or pay like a tradesman if you don't have the experience or attitude and keep glueing your hand to your head. No one will hand anything to you on a platter just because your report card looks good. So maybe you should take BigMikes advice and go wash a few helicopters, help with a few 100 hourly's and heaven forbid sweep a few floors, at least that way you'll get a toe in the door and spend less time expressing your ignorance on PPrune :ok:

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The most telling piece I have read on this "let's give'em democracy" gig is the one that contemplated the US's own transition from colony to democracy. The writer contemplated a situation where, aided by the French, the revolutionaries were engaged in battle with the 'homeland'. Along came a French politician and said to the Americans

"Don't worry my friends, we will come to your aid and set up a democracy for you here in ze Americas. We will 'elp you to rid your land of ze evil English and by-the-way, we have some experience with post-revolutionary constitutions so we can knock one out for you in no time".

What would the Americans have thought about the idea of having their democracy 'crafted' for them by the French. Probably not a long way from what many folk in the Middle East think about the concept of having the American version of democracy thrust upon an area that was the cradle of civilisation and as such has traditions and complexities aplenty.

Most of all I guess I cannot bear to think that I was lied to by politicians who did not believe that they would be found out. I will bear that scar forever, never again will I miss the opportunity to vote at a General Election.

G:ok:

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g/Day Fellas

Any chance of getting back to the original subject!!

Who, if any company is hiring for Iraq??? I would like to know as well???

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The USA only ever act if and when there is something in it for them. In this particular instance, Bush and his cronnies finally have their foothold in the middle east that the US military and the CIA have been dreaming of for decades.

Think of the benefits:

Top up their oil reserves.
Keep a close eye on the muslims.
Pick off any loose cannons like Iran and Syria with relative logisitical ease.

All great nations come full circle. The US can see themselves entering the autumn of their demise....they're just applying delaying tactics.

The future is yellow....everyone should know this.

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This is the link to Blackwater: http://www.blackwaterusa.com/securit...ng/secopps.asp

although it dosn't look like they are hiring at the moment.

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TC,

I believe a few minutes on google will show where the Iraqi oil is going...the percentages of the imported oil the USA takes from Iraq and other places.

Those numbers debunk any myth we are stealing Iraqi oil for our own purposes I would suggest. But...that was based upon a mere two minute search....so I don't claim to be an expert on the oil business.

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This is my 1st post here so I would like to say hallo to everybody. I don't know whether Blackwater is hiring now but they were looking for some pilots few months ago.

http://www.justhelicopters.com/emplo...0000&offset=80

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for a start, you shouldn't necessarily believe anything your hear from a google related website sas. Secondly, USA government has it's finger dipped in iraq oil (watch SBS), Thirdly, i don't recommend flying in iraq- sure, you get paid heaps- but if anyone here does get hired, you should practice dodging rpg rounds beforehand.

jacob.

and greetings masak!

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I dont doupt how risky the flying in Iraq is, however could anyone shed any light on how many helicopters have been lost due to hostile fire in the last two years, does anyone have any statistics?

It would be intresting to compare flying hours v incidents.

The only one that springs to mind is the skylink aircraft last year unless there are others not reported!

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Thomas
Should we go, trust me that the Mulas will be running 10 Downing Street first....

And not all Americans are against this mess. Its just some see it turning into Vietnam. Either kick thier collective butts or come on home. Politicians cannot run a war, its why they have Generals........ Give them the job and stay the hell out of the mess forget the imbedded News.
Abu-Grab or whatever was a cake walk as compared to Marine Corps Boot Camp.......
"Git- er -done"

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Gentlemen, please,

By all means, continue to post your views, that's what Pprune is for after all, but try and don't take or make things personal. No need to turn the best board on this site into a public lavatory wall, Just Helicopters already has that side of things covered and is doing a sterling job;)

Getting worked up over politics seems the wrong thing to do anyway, it just gives the politicians an overinflated opinion of their importance, no need to encourage the blighters!

BTW, I notice that the ladies who lurk on this board have given this catfight (and previous ones) a miss, proof positive if any were required that women really are smarter than men.:ok:

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Job Openings at Blackwater for those interested in going to the Sandbox....


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These positions currently include:

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Explosive Detection Dog (EDD)/Handler
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Armorer
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Medical Officer
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TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND SUBMIT YOUR RESUME AND DD-214 CLICK HERE https://secure.blackwaterusa.com/

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before everyone gets signed up to this blackwater gimmick, do some research on helicopter losses in iraq. to be precise there are more privatised operations going on there now than military. the US gov hires many contracted pilots and security organisations like BW. you can get paid up to U.S. $1000 a day as a contracted pilot. but as i found out its not all that fun. i was watching a documentary about the issues relating to private contractors in the counntry when a iraqi rebel group's (americans call them insurgents) video footage was shown firing at an oil helicopter. the helicopter crashed in a grassy field. all passengers killed on impact. amazingly, the pilot survived and was thrown clear of the heli into grass. the rebels found the man (of three young kids) and said, "get up, go!go!". the man began running, like the engineer in the movie 'the jackal'. while he ran he was gunned down. it's a horrible thing to shoot an unarmed man, but do you think for one second that those iraqi's where going to let the pilot go, so he could continue serving a corporation which saps iraqi oil out of iraq?

jacob.

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Who let the dogs out?

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I'm starting to feel like I've logged onto the wrong forum now! Any chance this t****r could be removed?:confused: