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I understand it is the replacement for the BK-117. I also thought they would have put a Fenestrom on it. Just been flying around in some EC-135s and the new tail is a great addition.

It doesn't have a fenestron because il est un BK avec some new bits sans un new tail which is pure BK. It is designed to keep down the development costs but to refresh the now ageing BK. Should be good but with a price kept lower because of the lower development costs.

LE

Larry,

BSO's new bird has returned to the air, saw it this morning... as sson as I can grab a digital camera I can get some pics.

I often wonder if they still have the original aerospatiale (Gazelle / EC135) and MBB (Bolkow / MB 117 / EC145) design engineers in suspended animation and bring them out for a new design concept, now and again.

Beautiful piccies...

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Thermal runaway.

RW-1

What are they using the EC135 for and is it painted in the same colours as the other machines.

PR http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/cool.gif

PAC:

Same mission, Sherriff and local law enforcement backup, SAR/EMS duties.

Scheme is similar as the previous heli, but of course this one is nicer! :)

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Marc

Are the engines on the EC145 LTS's.? From the picture it seems as if its a smaller airframe. The one thing about the BK117 is that it is built like a brick 5hit house. Thats always a nice feeling.

[This message has been edited by rotorque (edited 01 March 2001).]

Rotorque:
Arent all the BK-117s being built these days (and the last few years) all powered
by Turbomeca ? I think so...BK-117C-1.
I bet the EC-145 are Turbomeca also.

[This message has been edited by Larry (edited 01 March 2001).]

Thanks Larry,

To be honest I wouldn't know. Most of the BK's in Australia including the one we operate have lycoming's. I am yet to see a 'new' BK over here, but look forward to it.

Thanks for your help.

I have heard that the EC145 is a NEW AGE BK 117. Does anybody know if they have actualy taken the BK fusalarge and worked around it or if they desinged it from scratch?

And what is it like to fly?Does the fusalarge leak when it flies through rain like claimed on the EC155?

I ask these Questions as I am doing some research on which Medium helicopter is the most suitable for long distance SPIFR.This includes time spent in Maintenance and speed.Preferably 140kts+.

DC

From what I saw at Heli Expo the 145 has a larger cabin than the BK-117. I know that Westpac here in Auckland is looking at buying one next year to replace their BK, so will try and get their feedback.

Autorotate.

Ok
EC135 + Bk117 = EC145
EC120 + AS350 = EC130
AS365n3 + new fuselage = EC155.

I have not heard much about EC135 leaking so I assume the EC145 would not.

Helicopter = leaks in rain.

If I ever find one that doesn't, I'll think I've died and gone to heaven.

So now you know why MBB, Sikorsky, Bell etc. never went in for submarine building!!!!!!

EC135 doesn't leak:D

I haven't flown EC 145 in rain, but i never met a really dry helo. But Flare Dammit! it would be clever, :eek: to make a time or rain-intensity specification!
May be on a virgin ship, rain stays out for a couple of hours :D :D :D

@ Dynamic Component

EC 145 cabin is 1,5 ft longer and 30 inch wider than aboard the BK117. Floor is flat and long awaited :) without any center or door posts. On both sides is an aditionally window. That means 2 seats more than BK on a 3-2-3 seats arrangement (club seating). Clamshell and lateral outsize doors like the BK. New age pilot area, very good pilot view, glass cockpit (no more right sliding on approach for better view!!! ), including SPIFR AP. MR blades of new design and some other improvements should decrease vibrations and noise level and adds some pounds more gross weight (now 7830 lbs). Usable fuel (standard configuration) is 1525 lbs + 396 lbs long range fuel. According to the payload/range chart, up to 1800 lbs payload + 1 pilot, the ship can reach 360 NM standard and 440 NM long range. Cruising speed is 130-135 kt. VNE on max. gross weight 145 kt. If you like BK's handling and characteristics, (rigid rotor) the new ship could be right for you. At least i like the craft. EC 155 (deicing is coming) is an other class or take a view to Ft. Worth. A109 Power is faster but on max. fuel you have to fly alone with your boss. But you know, comparing helos is impossible. There are so much point of views and i get my money for flying! :rolleyes:

I was quite impressed with the external noise level on the 145 probably about the same as the 155 which has benefit of the fenestron at higher GW. Those tapered blades make a huge difference.

:D

Ahah!............ I always wondered what blade tape was for.

........Putting it on ya blades gives ya tapered baldes:D :D

Less noise ....... better performance......................Cool!!

Thank you all for the info.It's greatly appreciated.

The Dauphin was a option, but they seem to need alot of maintenance.
Any stats out there on the running cost of the EC145 and Dauphin?

Autorotate:
That would be greatly appreciated.