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Aesir 27th Apr 2004 09:10

I believe it´s the Italian made Magni autogyro!

see:

Magni USA

I did see the send off in Sky news, excellent show.

Best of luck to him. I hope to meet him when he comes through Greenland or Iceland.

I have done the trip between Greenland and Iceland several times in helicopters (incl JetRanger). Its a difficult trip mainly due to unreliable weather reports, which is because there are very few weather reporting stations in the area. The WX at destination and departure point may be fine and forecasted ok enroute, but you never know if you run into fog midway that can be from MSL to 10.000´.
You just dont know until you´r enroute.

By the way I have about 50 hrs in Gyro´s, mainly AirCommand. The aircraft can easily make the trip, its the weather thats the problem. But luckily the Gyro handles wind very well and he can land almost anywhere.

Nr Nh T6 27th Apr 2004 11:10

A Fantactic Adventure begins!! and for 3 very noble causes!!

(Great send off from EGVP)

The very best of British luck to Barry and the team!!

I wonder how many are eating hats just now, or perhaps very red faces for the doubting few!! :O

Keep up the good work!

(I'm green with envy! never thought I'd admit that!!!!)

Stay and fly safe

Nr Nh T6:ok:

SilsoeSid 27th Apr 2004 13:52

Walking into the newsagent this morning, I was greeted with the front page of the Yorkshire Post...

"Pilot takes off on round the world trip – in a gyroplane"

I saw it last night on Newsround, so it must be true, and he was heading East, not North to the sigs store in Dishforth,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4...copter_300.jpg

Amid the sense of excitement and seeing the challenge ahead...

Director of Army aviation Brigadier Richard Folkes said: "Disraeli said that adventure was for the adventurous and certainly Mr Jones and his team fall into that category."
Thanks for that, Dicky, really stirring stuff to set off around the World on.:ugh:
I'm sure that in times of trouble, those words will enable Barry to pull through; or (b)

In the meantime our wishes and thoughts will stand in. :ok:

MisNomer 27th Apr 2004 21:21

Full details of the trip can be found here

globaleagle

Bill O'Average 27th Apr 2004 22:26

Shame they couldnt get a correct piccie of the Magni!


I believe sigs store have sorted him out too.:ok:

SilsoeSid 27th Apr 2004 22:46

I was trying to get hold of the pic with the blue eagles in the background, which was in the 'post'. Had to make do with BBC.

It doesn't seem to be around yet, but I'm sure it won't be long.

Just read the first report back,

"Middle Wallop Tower, this is Army Air 547 requesting clearance to depart for a VFR flight around the World."
Absolute epic, can't wait for the book!


"By the way, uuummm... Jonesey, just for the publishers, if it all goes OK just make sure they spell my surname correctly!" Brigadier Foulkes was heard to whisper!
http://www.globaleagle.co.uk/gallery/images/23__thb

Head Turner 28th Apr 2004 09:04

A wonderful adventure by an Army Air Corps pilot. I shall be following every flight and will be ready to see him arrive back at Middle Wallop in 4 months time.
Incidentally, who was the authorising officer for this sortie? I'd like to see the entry on the 'Auth Sheet'.

Heliport 29th Apr 2004 11:10

WO Barry Jones in his autogyro


http://www.globaleagle.co.uk/gallery/images/25__img


http://www.globaleagle.co.uk/gallery/images/24__img

NickLappos 29th Apr 2004 14:41

That is so very cool. That little gyro circling the globe!

Good Luck WO Barry Jones!

CWO Nick Lappos
WOPA Forever!

paulo 29th Apr 2004 15:35

Autogyros - the most versatile way of getting from one accident to another. :p

Good luck sir! :ok:

huntnhound 30th Apr 2004 22:01

All seems well.
 
Everything seems to be going OK, apart from the weather which is standard for this time of year.:ooh:

Latest reports,

Keith, Lee and Wayne are currently positioned at Freidrichshafen in Germany waiting for Barry to arrive. As usual they have not been idle and have managed to procure accommodation, food and fuel for Barry’s arrival as well as drumming up support and publicity.
UUUmmm, shouldn't that have been sorted a long time ago?

Just a thought:ok:

,Anyway, from the beginning of the diary
How come Barry had to spend the night before the journey begins (around the world no less), in transit accomodation at Netheravon?

With all the publicity, sponsorship and quodos for the Corps going on, surely someone should have jacked up some proper last night comforts.:O

Yes I have experienced Netheravons accomodation!

SilsoeSid 30th Apr 2004 23:08

:ok:
Well spotted Huntn,

Netheravon transit accom was never desireable, let alone comfortable enough to prepare for a journey of this magnitude.
I suppose the Mess at Wallop was full as usual. Has that place been refurbished/rebuilt yet?

I liked the "as usual they have not been idle.." bit of it.

They must have put something in the water at Dishforth
:p ;) :p ;)

I once refused to stay in the transit at NV and ended up in a lovely place down in Amesbury. That was in the 90s days of SECOs, bring a sleeping bag and a star map!:uhoh:
Needless to say, I wasn't reimbursed, as accomodation WAS provided.:suspect:

Then they built the concrete towers as they thought the place was being shut down, pity about the other facilities!

Bill O'Average 1st May 2004 00:21

If you want any pics of the departure from EGVP, I have a couple from the back of the formation. ;) . Although I felt Eagle 4 was pants at holding position!

Although I hate to admit it, the 'AAC' hasnt exactly been the prime mover in this 'expedition'. More of an im******ance. (A top free ride on the PR front with minimal outlay IMHO).

Bazzer has a gucci GPS tracker thingy on board (more than can be said of 85% of AAC cabs!) to let peeps know where he's at or 'weathered in!'. It can be found on line here. http://mivmi.mi-services.com/track/g...9&ZOOMINC.y=12

Again, good luck to Barry and the team. Youre still a nutter!!

SilsoeSid 1st May 2004 04:37

....and if he is weathered in, you can see how bad it is here.
European Aviation Weather

I only wish they had chosen 'bigger' airfields/landing sites.

Although it's a bit misty, I hope Barry isn't delayed on todays leg until tomorrow, as past history might find the locals of Bolzano a bit unfreindly of any 'allied' aircraft, even though it's exactly 60 years on!

TUESDAY, 2 MAY 1944

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)

STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Fifteenth Air Force): 250+ bombers hit targets in
Italy; B-17s hit the marshalling yard at Bolzano; B-24s, most with fighter
escort, attack Castel Maggiore and a railroad bridge at Faenza; 300+ bombers
are forced to abort because of weather.

(taken from http://www.altus.af.mil/history/combat/combatmay44.htm)

And Barry, don't overfly the Manzell Dornierwerke Aircraft Components Factory near Friedrichshafen, when you leave, they may get a bit twitchy!!!

BEagle 1st May 2004 06:48

Bug ger - just missed him as I left FDH on Thursday afternoon. Wx was glorious then, but not looking so great for the w/e, I understand.

The Do24T flying boat is due at the Bodensee tomorrow, I gather - hope that you can get some on the side PR.

Good luck!!

Autorot8 1st May 2004 11:44

I´m sitting in Friedrichshafen in stunning Wx but the Alps is pants! This is the first time i´ve read this thread, umm, whatever, quite funny the views people have, harsh but fair I suppose.

Brian Milton (flew round the globe in a Weightshift in 1998) tried to tell me how hard this flight would be and I thought I knew it, but i´m surprised already at how hard it is. The Wx is the biggest problem now, i´m keen to get past Hong Kong so that I can slow the pace down but the Met isn´t even letting me gat a pace started. I´m told the tracker is working well though.

If I do screew this up i´ll be gutted. Not for any crap reason like i´m a crap pilot etc etc but because there are alot of people involved in this now, most of them for good reasons and for some its a bit of a dream to watch an event like this unfold. One of my son´s classes (Dyslexic Class) are keeping a very close eye on me - thankfully not on this site - and i´d feel like i´d really let him down. The old CO of 9 egt has been my strongest friend in this whole project and has stood up for me on many an occasion, so i´d feel bad about that and of course for the team. Right now though, its just a case of waiting for the met to clear up then i´m off to Italy.

Barry.

FFP 1st May 2004 11:53

Don't listen to them Barry. Takes more of a person to go out there and do it than to sit on an internet forum and have a go.

All the best with it fella. If you get the chance, post on here some more and let us know how you are getting on. :ok:

Bill O'Average 1st May 2004 13:34

Tops, Barry!!

Fly safe mate and I'll see you in a couple of months!

SilsoeSid 1st May 2004 22:39


Don't listen to them Barry. Takes more of a person to go out there and do it than to sit on an internet forum and have a go.
Totally agree with you FFP.
Only one person can do it first and as I've said before to Barry, "Godspeed"

With 3521 views of this thread, I think it safe to say more people are now aware of Barrys voyage.

By the way, aren't you just sitting on an internet forum? And what part have you played to contribute to the mission?:=

Something to do in Friedrichshafen while waiting for the weather to clear up:
Club Miami
http://www.bodensee-top-sites.de/mia...ach-01-150.jpg
http://www.bodensee-top-sites.de/miami/

Bill O'Average 1st May 2004 23:22

Sil, you are a hypocrit and incredibly contratictory. You spent most of this thread criticising the Exped and generally pushing across a point of view that is totally negative. How dare you 'repremand' someone else for making a comment that is positive.

Clever t**t.

Anyway, crack on with our fullest support Baz.

SilsoeSid 2nd May 2004 02:32

Goodness me Bill, lighten up will you!!
Read it like it's meant to be, like a lot of other viewers;)

Is this a last minute bid to be part of the team, now that Barry is on his way, when before you also had your doubts. Have you previously expressed your views in the bar with no fear of anyone coming back to you? :hmm:

I very much doubt that I am the only one who thought that this would not go ahead, but now that it is am I now not allowed to send my good wishes to Barry?

How very sanctimonious of you.:ouch:

You spent most of this thread criticising the Exped and generally pushing across a point of view that is totally negative
Well if you read the first post, you'll find I said,
"Good luck to the team, but knowing a few of them fairly well, I wonder of their chances of actually pulling it off. I may be a great cynic, but based on personal track records it must rate high in improbables."
I still stand by what I said and I am not prepared to go into individual personal traits on this forum.

How dare you 'repremand' someone else for making a comment that is positive.
Reprimand:confused: by pointing out that he also sits on an internet forum and has more than likely played no part in the exped?
I take it that's you reprimanding me then!

Thanks for the abuse and please stop PM'ing me for my identity, Thanks:ok:

If you don't like it here, don't come back.
But I have a feeling you will.......yawn!

Bill O'Average 2nd May 2004 04:24

Tosser.

SilsoeSid, you must be a woman with the changing view points, illogical arguments and general lack of facts that have been proven on your part. Am I married to you???

PM was just asking, once. You seem to make out it was a barrage? Again, you must be a Doris with that kind of over reaction.

Youre still a tosser BTW, do you drink with ABIW, because hes a cnut too?:E

(ABIW has been very quiet on this thread, has he been involved in a pile up on the M40?) heres hoping anyway.

Anyway, good luck Barry and all the team. (Remember Stu, I was always Pro this project, tell Silso to wind his neck in).

SilsoeSid 2nd May 2004 05:11

Thanks for your contribution there Bill.
I see from your post history, in your profile, you tend to go off like this fairly often.

ABIW I'm sure will be watching and doesn't feel the need to comment on this thread. You seem to be doing a good enough job as it is to let us know what sort of person you are;)

To wish someone to be involved in a pile up on th M40 must be fairly low.

I don't want to keep repeating this, but please don't turn this thread into a slanging match. If you really don't like it simply don't come back and it won't upset you.
I think by now Barry has the idea you're behind him all the way, you don't have to have it as your signature each time you post.:p

p.s Is Stu your big brother?:ouch:

I see the book idea has kicked off.


I´m not allowed to publish my diary anymore as it would stop the publishers from publishing the book about this project. Stu will be summerising the diary that I send him and will keep posting it on the net
Pity you can\'t copyright ideas:=

Don't tell me, it wasn't my idea as it was in the pipeline anyway!!
If that is the case, why hasn't it been mentioned before?

FFP 2nd May 2004 07:26


Takes more of a person to go out there and do it than to sit on an internet forum and have a go.
So to make it simple for you

1) Go out and do it = More of a person

2) Sit on an internet forum AND HAVE A GO (i.e bitch and be cynical) = Less of a person

So I am on an internet forum, but not slagging his attempt off. Starting to make sense now is it ?

So in reply to your question,


By the way, aren't you just sitting on an internet forum? And what part have you played to contribute to the mission?
Yes. Contributed by posting a positive thread amongst all the crap that's already on this thread. Figured if I was doing what Barry was doing and saw this, it'd be nice to have some genuine support from fellow Mil Pilots.

:ok:

Autorot8 2nd May 2004 16:10

OK, ok, no big deal, it doesn´t matter who supports this flight or not, its happening, just. This is the latest stupidity i´ve managed to come up with.

This morning, having jump started the Eagle due to my leaving a circuit breaker in for two days, I ´spiked´ the radio and now it has to be repaired. The local German Engineers are looking at that for me but i´ve just lost what looks like the one weather window I had to get through the Apls for about five days. Gutted!

The more I am delayed the closer I bring myself to the Monsoon season futher along the route. Again, Gutted.

Anyway, an extract from my book (sil) will be posted on the web shortly that tells exactly what happend today. haven´t mentioned the book before because it is nothing to do with the charity side of the project and I don´t want to mix the two. The plan was for the book to try and recover the money i´ve put into this project, but who knows. I´m 70,000 words into it and so far its been about the planning and setting up of the Exped´- obviously. The other reason for not letting on about it is because of my Dyslexia. I´m not sure I can write a book thats good enough to sell, look at my spelling!! Anyway, i´m giving it a go and if it sells, great, if not its a record of what happend, for me when i´m old - er.

I´ll try to get on this thread when I can but I don´t know when that will be. All the best and play nice.

Barry.

Global Eagle 2nd May 2004 16:46

I have followed this thread from the beginning and up until today never really felt the need to post. As Barry has finally got around to reading it and posting his own thoughts I thought it about time I did.

This project has had a lot of ups and downs, sadly too many downs for my liking and it's just a fact of life that people will form an opinion on just about anything. The fact is that as a team we have dealt with it and concentrated on a common aim. Some of my closest friends are serious doubters about the expedition succeeding, some openly declare it and others choose to say it after i've walked out of the door, after the smile and the "good luck".

I do feel that it is maybe time to answer a few questions that I know have been raised here. There's no better place to start than at the beginning so here goes:


Will the expedition leave on time?

Sadly not, the explanations for the various delays we had have been posted on our website and I for one know that they have been painfully honest. There really was nothing to gain from leaving late, it makes the trip more hazardous, particularly in the areas of Myanmar, Lao etc.

Will clearances really have been given?

No. I answer that one assuming you mean dip/pol clearances. As of today we still require clearances to fly through Russia, China and Canada. Also Denmark have asked for more information before allowing overflight of Greenland. We are working very closely in conjunction with Embassy staff to gain these clearances and poor Tina is working her fingers off to smooth the way. If the next question is "why go then", it's easy, the fact we are on the move creates publicity and hopefully positive publicity will help our efforts..as it already has for Saudi, Oman, Myanmar etc etc For instance; we were told on day one that clearance for China would not be given until 3 days before entry. Unless we started in Rangoon it would be difficult to ever get going!

Will the backup be sufficient?

If you mean ground support from team members then all I can say is that the support will be the best we can give with the financial constraints we have. To say that finance is limited would be an understatement. Barry is paying for his fuel, food, overflight costs and landing fees out of his own pocket, thats after paying for a certified aircraft. The backup that we are getting from Embassy staff has been brilliant and the offers of help from all over the world are coming in thick and fast. I noticed another comment earlier that said shouldn't fuel, accomodation etc have already been arranged. The short answer is yes and it has in most cases, but it hasn't been paid for. From Oman Barry is effectively on his own until Nome, Alaska.

Will the aircraft itself return with it's wheels?

Maybe, maybe not. Or maybe not the ones it left with. I'll ask the audience.

Why aren't they converting to Apache?

Easy one this. I'm too old and too stupid. Barry's eyesight isn't good enough. Wayne is a groundcrewman and hopefully will fly Apache one day. Andy and Lee are engineers and probably don't want to. Tina already has a job in Netheravon. Keith and Stu don't have enough time left to serve. Nige went off to fly with the Blue Eagles. Euan and Pete D are currently at Middle Wallop converting to Apache. Paul wanted to go QHI so returned to flying.

Are our taxes still paying for the teams wages?

Yes they are and can I take this opportunity to thank you all. On a more serious note you should bear in mind that the team has visited over 200 schools in the UK, nearly all financed by ourselves. You might find that this has been cheaper (and possibly more effective) than many recuiting teams. That said, we all appreciate the opportunity given to us.

Does the CO 9AAC still wash his hands of the enterprise?

The now Ex CO 9 Regt is our Project Officer. Enough said on that one.

If anyone has any questions then please feel free to ask away, give us a call on Dishforth 4533 (01423 321533) or send any of the team an e-mail.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone at PPRUNE for their support, especially those that have taken the trouble to visit, and silsoesid for generating this thread. I DO NOT believe that there is no such thing as bad publicity but on the other hand I DO believe that everyone has the right to an opinion, and to voice it.

Best wishes

Pete Taylor
GE2004

Global Eagle 2nd May 2004 17:23

Just come across this thread while nosing around. Thank you all so much for the interest..especially Misnomer who I know is biased!

Keep watching and nip into our website forum when you get a chance.

All the best

Global Eagle Team

maersk1 2nd May 2004 18:58

Bj,

Sorry, can't get used to this "Barry" bit. Tried to get to wallop to see you off but got caught by a roster change. Glad you're reading this and that you finally got away safely,
Just remember;

IT'S BETTER TO REGRET THINGS YOU DID,
TO HAVE LOVED AND LOST,
TRIED AND MISSED,
THAN TO HAVE SPENT ALL YOUR LIFE W**NKING.

by the way, the flightdeck of an A321 is a lot more comfortable!!


Good luck

Jim T

SilsoeSid 2nd May 2004 19:20

Nice reply Pete, thanks. That is just what was needed to bring this thread back on course.

Hopefully FFP and Bill will now be able to read this as it was meant to be;(without turning it into the standard slanging match, as seemed to be on their agenda to get it closed or not worth carrying on.
Light hearted, a subject for discussion on both sides of the fence and mainly to make fellow pruners aware of Barrys journey.

The wheels question was posed because of the scouser influence in the team.
http://theory.ic.ac.uk/~jdfearns/graphics/scouser.gif

Of course Barry has my support, (I don't think I am being hypocrytical in saying that), because as an Army Pilot I know that he will scale all the many hurdles put in front of him, as we all have done, to achieve an aim, emerge triumphant and will publish a great book.

Autorot8 2nd May 2004 20:09

Jim, great to hear from you, give Pete a bell and get contact details please. Take care mate.

Beej.

flygunz 2nd May 2004 21:27

Not sure where you get your kicks Siloe but if you think you are doing BJ any favours here let me tell you that your posts read like the front page of the Sunday Sport, provocative and nasty.

BJ, saw you leave the other day and wish you the very best of luck, it takes more than guts to try something like this and I hope you succeed.

Gunz
:ok:

SilsoeSid 3rd May 2004 00:00

Thanks for your input Gunz.
I take it you have read the thread, so- mission accomplished:ok:

You'll not be coming back then, so seeya:=

Bet you still have a flick through, no matter how provocative and nasty you find it!

SilsoeSid 4th May 2004 01:56

Hey Maersk,
Seems that by your username, you moved over just in time. I can't imagine that flightdeck being as comfortable as it was for a while.:uhoh:

More weather probs,

Barry has had to make an unsheduled landing due to bad weather. He landed safely in a field approximately 30km North of Bolzano. Barry and the aircraft are fine.
Pssst, Don't mention the war!:ouch:

SilsoeSid 6th May 2004 13:46

Still weathered in
 
Pssst, did you turn everything off Barry? :oh:

As a matter of interest, anyone know the ceiling of the autogyro? and what is the max height expected to be in transit over the Alps?

Autorot8 6th May 2004 15:34

Ken Wallis, of Little Nellie fame, held the record for many years at around 17,500 feet but I think that has been beat in the USA and is somewhere around 22,000feet. When Brian Milton flew through the Alps on his world flight in a WeightShift Microlight he got through at 9,500feet. I phoned him after I had landed and he told me that it was a CAVOK day when he did it - if only!

volrider 7th May 2004 11:03

Fascinating posts that are not only interesting but very very funny:D Silk tounged Sid has them rolling a wicked sense of humour that we have learned to adapt to ;)
Good luck on the flight, bet its a bit nippy over them Alps!!
Will keep my eye on this as its not only a great project but a great thread!!
:ok:

SilsoeSid 7th May 2004 12:40

Barry is now over the Alps.

http://www.zakongroup.com/photography/alps.jpg
Must have been breathtaking

NVG_CAT3_retd 7th May 2004 16:16

Bj

Good luck on the trip, just got round to reading the interesting, and not so interesting, posts. Yours obviously rate very highly. :O Keith, remember to go out in pairs not on your own, or you may loose your shoes.:uhoh:

Keep it up in all sorts of ways.

SilsoeSid 9th May 2004 12:46

Update
 
The latest fron the GE website.
yesterday;

Barry finds himself at the Magni factory over in Italy. The aircraft is undergoing maintenance today.
Today;

Barry will be spending another day with the Magni crew. He has been asked by the Italian media to carry out some further interviews whilst the aircraft continues on maintenance. He will look to depart for Bari tomorrow.
Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but surely if you are to go on a 'Round the World' journey, it would be prudent to get the method of transport serviced before departure.:hmm:
I hear Halfords can provide a good service except on Sundays, Oh and Saturday afternoons!

Maybe it's the attraction of the vino and the pasta, but how does the service take so long? Is it not just a spark plug clean, oil change and a quick tyre check?

2 weeks so far and we are in Italy . :{

At this rate Barry will just be back in time for Christmas, which would explain this picture taken the other day, of Barry at the maintenance facility getting the undercarriage looked at.

http://www.crossman.freeserve.co.uk/autogyro/bent.jpg
I get the feeling that the new ETA will be chrimbo, as the beard is coming along nicely :ok:

Just done the calculation, perhaps Christmas is a bit optimistic.
http://pudgygreeting.com/graphics/ea...lyingbunny.jpg

Bill O'Average 9th May 2004 12:54

You dont change, do you SS.

Why dont you just post the update without the 'Mirrors' opinion?

I see your making tons of mates over at arrse too.


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