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FireFighting Season 2020 Portugal, AS350 and B412 on the back |
Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
(Post 10838272)
Saw this earlier, just interested about how much benefit this could potentially bring to the fire fighting teams around the world, obviously different countries and even regions have to deal with various terrains, availability of support resources and all the other surprises thrown at you while doing a days work!
Colorado State now has a program that is just starting their second season. I went to a briefing given by Vince Wellbaum the head of their program recently. A few observations:
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Coulsons are doing some night stuff down in Australia as well. I think they have a recon ship(76? maybe) in front of a 61 dropping at night.
I still think it would be better if they let you attack the fire first thing in the morning when it isn't doing much, instead of waiting for it to get roaring in the afternoon, and then trying to put out flaming trees..... I have noticed a bit of a change this year, with New Zealand throwing everything at a fire early and putting it out, rather than one light machine chipping away for days on end. |
Originally Posted by SuperF
(Post 10839218)
I still think it would be better if they let you attack the fire first thing in the morning when it isn't doing much, instead of waiting for it to get roaring in the afternoon, and then trying to put out flaming trees.....
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Could not resist-----the standard 10 Fire Orders by the USFS re-written by a bored Helitack crew.....;)
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Hi Gordy,
Ive sent you a PM. 3R. |
+1 Gordy,
Not much has changed in 35 years then? Just a bit more “PC”. |
In light of the above posts....An apparently well researched analysis in digestible form, of Australia’s Mega fire.
The Fire has been traced to single lightning strike, a helicopter responded with a team that were to be winched down but wind conditions thwarted the operation. Nothing unusual in the response or conditions. These catastrophic fires occur on days where flying conditions are marginal/impossible for rotary and light fixed wing. So some Covid induced dreaming....We have developed extraordinary flying machines for war. Could we develop one for first response all weather firefighting? Probably unmanned and with a highly responsive thrust to counter turbulence. Yes a $B endevour. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...=0&pfmredir=sm |
This is a great picture!
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill
(Post 10847248)
In light of the above posts....An apparently well researched analysis in digestible form, of Australia’s Mega fire.
The Fire has been traced to single lightning strike, a helicopter responded with a team that were to be winched down but wind conditions thwarted the operation. Nothing unusual in the response or conditions. These catastrophic fires occur on days where flying conditions are marginal/impossible for rotary and light fixed wing. So some Covid induced dreaming....We have developed extraordinary flying machines for war. Could we develop one for first response all weather firefighting? Probably unmanned and with a highly responsive thrust to counter turbulence. Yes a $B endevour. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...=0&pfmredir=sm about 20 years ago, in a shed in SE LA, a guy had a 6 engine 4 seater running, now would be called a sexcopter I guess. He had lots of spare thrust and was envisaging payloads over 1000kg, which would be at the edge of interest as a drone dropship. There is some regulatory constraints, but nothing to get sideways on. There is no technological constraint in doing attack that way, it is purely political will. If the bedstead with a ton of slurry is not flying over people, and that should be a low bar to hurdle, then the risk is lower than is faced by y'all in the choppers. managing the CG during drop is about the only interesting control design. Continuous operations would take a fair bit of manpower and remote pilot is probably desirable for safety and target changes. you can buy baby ones of that Alibaba, for 20kg liquid, to put out cuban cigars. |
Good clip of Helicopter fire fighting in Southern Spain 2020
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