Which is the best helicopter for training?
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It's been answered quite well, at least within the bounds of the questions posed most recently. But perhaps we should check in with those who posed questions: have they been answered?
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H300, R22 was not designed for training, Cabri will beat R22 sales. MIL aeroclubs need to buy a few cheap trainers instead of feeding politicians. If money is not a problem, don´t kill your kids on R22.
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I haven’t met an ideal training helicopter and I’ve flown most oft them. The 300 is the only one designed as a trainer, but is now too slow and the pitch attitude changes with speed are untypical. The 22 is too delicate and has bred a generation of instructors who are either “ on” the controls or try to correct student errors before they happen because of the very short intervention window. The old B47 was too sluggish, too slow, untypical in pitch attitude changes and needed far too much engineering time. The Hiiler 12 was even more so, had a very odd cyclic feel and big throttle/ lever coordination challenges. The R44 is the closest to the ideal in terms of handling, power and comfort but too expensive. However it was the type that I felt most comfortable as an instructor as you could allow the student to make mistakes ans see whether he corrected them himself. The Cabri is a good attempt, but also a bit delicate and expensive. I think that the fenestron introduces its own yaw handling peculiarities, ok if you are heading for an Airbus product.
Yep, for basic training, agreed. The most docile, forgiving, and difficult to break. But for IFR training, if I had a choice I'd take a 76 every time. Different horses for different courses.
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The new TH 180 seems dead now ... http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/560...ighlight=TH180
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Heli Henri .Deliberately didn't mention Enstrom as haven’t had recent experience. Years ago we evaluated it but didn’t want the engineering problems associated with turbocharging for traning helicopters and the non turbocharged model was short of power. No issues with the handling but ultimately cost considerations led to the R22.
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The school I was at leased a Cabri only because they couldn’t find an R22 but it was always in maintenance. I hope the newer Cabris are more reliable as I think this one was number 9 off the production line and well used. I wonder if the new schools are choosing the Cabri these days over the R22 even though the cost to both the school and student is higher.
I see Helicentre in Leicester only have Cabris and no R22s.
I see Helicentre in Leicester only have Cabris and no R22s.
Bell 47 G2, Hughes 269, or Hiller 12E.
As the question was qualified to require "helicopter" that excludes Robbies in my Book.
As the question was qualified to require "helicopter" that excludes Robbies in my Book.
The school I was at leased a Cabri only because they couldn’t find an R22 but it was always in maintenance. I hope the newer Cabris are more reliable as I think this one was number 9 off the production line and well used. I wonder if the new schools are choosing the Cabri these days over the R22 even though the cost to both the school and student is higher.
I see Helicentre in Leicester only have Cabris and no R22s.
I see Helicentre in Leicester only have Cabris and no R22s.
My first trial flight was on a Cabri and the flight had to be rescheduled two times on short notice due to maintenance (at least I was told so...)
Awesome looking heli from outside and inside but I went on the 269C after that...
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