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Italian Army Bell 205 Close Call

Old 3rd Oct 2022, 22:04
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Italian Army Bell 205 Close Call

Hello all,

Just seen this and not noticed it on here thus far - assume was recent? 205 up high suffers what was apparently LTE - looked like a close scrape but recovered well. Apologies I can only find an FB link.

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Old 3rd Oct 2022, 22:52
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Hello all,

Just seen this and not noticed it on here thus far - assume was recent? 205 up high suffers what was apparently LTE - looked like a close scrape but recovered well. Apologies I can only find an FB link.

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Old 3rd Oct 2022, 23:05
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Not sure about the LTE part but that was sure some fancy flying.
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That folks is a real Helicopter Pilot.....who survives to learn from his mistakes.

Actually....if ever there was a guy that should be buying his Lottery Tickets....it is he!
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That was seriously impressive!

LTE - bang! - hard nose over - reversing - fly away.
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Downwind approach? There’s a lot of dust blown up on the ridge that moves downwind, but it could be the rotor down wash.
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Considering that LTE is as big a myth as the Invisible Friend, it was simply the pilot demanding more from the tail rotor at altitude than it could produce. Lucky to get out of it.

Nescafe, if it was a downwind approach, he wouldn't have been able to back off like he did - he was getting some assistance being blown back.
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 04:52
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Fast downwind approach with predictable results.
Nice recovery.
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Apparently, there was ground contact during the pirouette...





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Old 4th Oct 2022, 07:22
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My word it doesn’t get much closer than that. Strong ship to stay together for sure.

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Lucky to survive all that - especially the strike of the T/R blade on the vertical fin. Our air force lost a Huey when the blade struck the fin, but the end of the blade came off, causing a severe imbalance - the whole tail rotor gearbox tore itself off the fin, the CG change plus the loss of anti-torque caused a huge nose-down and twist. The main rotor hit the raised tail boom, came around and took out the cockpit and left side and removed the tail boom completely, before separating. Splat.

This fella should retire.
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Dont mormally see dynamic rollover around the chin bubbles. that was remarkable. The rotor mast shows.... any contact?
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Doubt it was downwind. That's running out of pedal. I flew UH-1D's at that altitude in the Alps too. The UH 1 has a fairly benign LTE compared to the other aircraft I've flown. That crew were incredibly lucky. I wonder if more modern airframes would have been so forgiving or put up with that level of abuse.
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Doubt it was downwind. That's running out of pedal. I flew UH-1D's at that altitude in the Alps too. The UH 1 has a fairly benign LTE compared to the other aircraft I've flown. That crew were incredibly lucky. I wonder if more modern airframes would have been so forgiving or put up with that level of abuse.
there are two Videos- have a look.
the dust is really blown away - that was for sure a downwind approach.
After recovering he is turning and flying away into wind - which he wouldn‘t have done/needed if the wind was on the nose beforehand
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I know the Huey....and immediately upon seeing the first few frames of the video my gut reaction was that nothing good was going to come off it.....even allowing for distortion by camera angle and all.

Way too fast and steep.....and if in the Alps... suggesting up high.....and with no snow on the landing site....warmish.....bad Karma!

Bristow wrote off two Bell 205's....Hueys....in two weeks in Iran with the crash sites within sight of one another during the late 1970's.

When we heard on the company HF radio network the crash report noting numbers of passengers and cargo.....and the elevation.....the cause was identified in the initial message each time.

Neither Pilot involved had experience on the type in the US Army

Huey Tail Rotors were known to be marginal at best and loss of tail rotor effect was the first thing to happen upon bleeding Nr for any reason.

That is why you learned to make turns to the right on takeoff as when departing heavy you were going to turn right whether you wanted to or not.
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Bouncing off the ground in the pirouette saved their lives I think. He must have pulled the collective all the way to the top stop during the 'recovery'. Engine and transmission change after that but better than the alternative.

If he was such a good pilot, how did he allow himself to get into that situation in the first place? - Good hands but poor decision making?
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As I said earlier in the thread.....
That folks is a real Helicopter Pilot.....who survives to learn from his mistakes.
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there are two Videos- have a look.
Link of second video please

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Old 4th Oct 2022, 18:07
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In the immortal words of the boss at Shawbury when I went through. “Gentlemen. Get out there and try and kill your selves. Preferably on Crown Territory.” Helicopters. They sort the men out ( and women I hasten to add) from the proverbial.
All that said, that approach looked extremely rushed and was only going to have one outcome Thankfully he got away with it.
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