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Old 20th Nov 2022, 08:29
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I did my first DECCA TANS letdown to a field in 1979, before we had GPS. Unfortunately things haven’t moved on very much since then, or at least we’re not officially allowed to.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 09:08
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I don't understand the attraction of helicopter flight when if you go 15 miles down the road you can get a cheaper fixed wing flight
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 09:46
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I don't understand the attraction of helicopter flight when if you go 15 miles down the road you can get a cheaper fixed wing flight
Well its 15 miles closer and a much cooler way to travel???
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I don't understand the attraction of helicopter flight when if you go 15 miles down the road you can get a cheaper fixed wing flight
Unfortunately, Land’s End airport is often sitting in low cloud when 15 miles up the road there’s a helicopter sitting in VMC.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
Unfortunately, Land’s End airport is often sitting in low cloud when 15 miles up the road there’s a helicopter sitting in VMC.
http://penzanceheliport.co.uk/wp-con...RS-3632425.pdf

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 11:42
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The linked Report noted pending approval of a GPS approach at Penzance with an estimated approval date of early 2018.

Did the CAA approve that approach....if not what is the status of the Request?
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The linked Report noted pending approval of a GPS approach at Penzance with an estimated approval date of early 2018.

Did the CAA approve that approach....if not what is the status of the Request?
There's no mention of PinS approaches at either Penzance or Tresco in the UK AIP so I'm assuming it hasn't been approved yet.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 12:18
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Four and a half years.....is this another example of the stellar performance by the CAA or did the application be cancelled for other reasons?

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Other reasons.

They shut the heliport……and built a Tesco supermarket on it.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 12:27
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Also....a gem of information appeared in this article.....where it states in the UK there is a requirement for ATC where an Instrument Approach is to be approved.

The article notes many European Nations are embracing this new technology as is the United States and Canada.

Perhaps that has a bearing on this as well.

We have IFR Approaches to Un-controlled Airports and Heliport....even to Hospitals.


https://www.euroga.org/articles/tech...h-approval-faa



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Old 20th Nov 2022, 15:49
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
Other reasons.

They shut the heliport……and built a Tesco supermarket on it.

That was the previous BIH operation.

The letter above refers to the ‘new’ Sloane (now Starspeed) operation.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 18:10
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Original PZ heliport

Originally Posted by ShyTorque
Other reasons.

They shut the heliport……and built a Tesco supermarket on it.
The original site was more valuable to the owners as a retail outlet (Sainsbury) and it was suggested that a Heliport could go down the road to St Erth (not a popular suggestion to the locals). The original location was nearer the coast and only overflew the British Rail yard (which was not unhelpful in poor weather as they had a blaze of lighting which showed up from miles away) PZ also had an NDB and a sea level elevation. The new heliport is only a couple of hundred yards away but the area has had increased development with consequent implications for an approach profile. However the basic facts are that PZ is open usually when Lands End is clamped, and therefore able to offer a more reliable service. There is no doubt that the S61 service really did open up the Scillies as far as an 'air service', but it probably never really covered the actual costs. The ability to carry our rapid turnarounds due to EB having a 'through hull' luggage option was a considerable benefit. I remember a consultants report regarding 'any air service' highlighted that it was unlikely that they were truly sustainable for the future and would prove to costly to maintain. The problem was that having got use to a flying bus that was both reliable and affordable for the users, the reality of 'paying what it really cost' for the locals was a real spoiler.
Sloane were rather hit by covid, but the ability to make a small helicopter both pay its way and provide a regular service (with no back up) is more than challenging for anything other than a semi 'first class' Tresco transport facility where the cost MAY not be that important. A fortune has been spent on Lands End (St Just) including GPS approaches, however the FOG is not impressed by that, and continues to close the airfield when it suits.
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Not a good start going tech for over a week
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Tbf global spares supply chains are horrendous
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Originally Posted by helicrazi
Tbf global spares supply chains are horrendous
But surely this was known when a high hour ex O&G machine was purchased from West Africa? Shouldn't an experienced operator such as Starspeed have invested in a spares holding prior to commencement of a scheduled service? Seems that the statement is the usual 'the dog ate my homework' from the good Dr but I guess we are all use to that now.

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On the plus side, when does the 2 crew 139 arrive?

Joking aside, im sure there's a backup clause in the contract...
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 15:13
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Out of interest, does anyone have any information with regards the nature of the ‘technical problem’ that is referred to in the press release?
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Old 25th Dec 2022, 11:25
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Crikey - bad weather - let’s hope they have found a crew that listens to each other and acts accordingly ;-)
starpseed’s business model has always been ‘the owner pays’ so investing in a big bag of ‘proactive’ spares would not have been on the table - imho
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 14:33
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When I was Shanghai’d into PBN qualification or else by the authorities, with the threat of losing my IR privilege after 30 odd years, I at least expected the arseholes who dictated the rules to be doing their bit and seamlessly approve most forwarded GPS/PIN/HELI approach plates.
Compared to the USA we are a throw back to the 60’s…….. Shameful for a safe offshore to onshore approach like PZE.
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 21:24
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I at least expected the arseholes who dictated the rules to be doing their bit and seamlessly approve most forwarded GPS/PIN/HELI approach plates
Perhaps it's their revenge for having failed to block civvy NVS ops after trying for so long - "thanks", Porky - not!!
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