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Convert EASA ATPLH to UK ATPLH

Old 22nd Oct 2021, 09:27
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Yes really.

The CAA link you have quoted clearly states that non-UK EASA licences issued before the cutoff can be converted to UK licences.

The EU has published conversion rules (again it's all in the link you shared) stating what must be done. They've also said that it's up to individual states how that's interpreted.

The general interpretation is that if you passed the EASA ATPL examinations in the UK when it was a member state and they are still valid ​then those examinations meet that requirement and don't need to be retaken. The 7 year validity rule will be counted from the last EASA IR validity - effectively rendering all UK ATPL exams valid until 2028 at the latest. A victory for common sense.

Obviously any UK-only licences issued post-cutoff do not meet this requirement. The real victims at the moment are those who held a UK-issued EASA licence but who were grandfathered into EASA, since they never took the exams in the first place.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 09:41
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Yes really.
They've also said that it's up to individual states how that's interpreted.

The general interpretation is that if you passed the EASA ATPL examinations in the UK when it was a member state and they are still valid ​then those examinations meet that requirement and don't need to be retaken.
Which states interpret it like that? The ones I have asked (Netherlands/Germany/France) do not.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 10:54
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Malta for one.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 11:21
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https://www.enac.gov.it/sicurezza-ae...-easa-part-fcl

Hereís Italy! My Italian colleague says itís for previous holders of Italian licence.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 11:52
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Malta for one.
Legend. Thanks for that.

That will be great news to some guys I know. The snag for some might be the need to be an EU citizen to get most of the EU pilot jobs that need the EASA licence but that's a fight for another day.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 12:54
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I hold an EASA licence and I'm in the process to obtain the UK CAA. I'm not currently flying in the UK but I would be interested in keeping it if an opportunity arises in the future. Should I first pass the initial class 1, or can I also start the conversion and provide the Class 1 later on once in my hands?

What are the requirements to maintain the CAA licence? May I lose the licence if I don't renew the class 1?

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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 12:59
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Medical requirements

Before we can issue a UK Part-FCL licence, the pilot must hold a UK PART-MED medical certificate with medical records held on the United Kingdom CAA Medical Records System. We are unable to accept EASA medical certificates.


This is from:

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...alent-licence/
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 13:04
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Fantastic, thanks deltahotel!
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 16:13
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Malta for one.
Interesting that, after your earlier comments, I specifically looked at Malta as an example of what I can imagine might be a more 'flexible' regulator. However, what they publish does not match your comments unless they have changed their policies in the meantime: https://www.transport.gov.mt/PEL-67-...on-4.pdf-f6395
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 07:16
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I guess it depends on whether you're a glass-is-half-full or a glass-is-half-empty kind of person? I interpret that document to mean they will honour pre-cutoff UK exam results. Here is the actual email I received from Transport Malta:

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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 11:57
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Are you 100% sure that EASA licence holders can operate G reg? Will EASA holders after 2022 have to resit all 14 ATPL's again if they want to obtain a UK CAA license as well?
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 14:31
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Yes really.

The CAA link you have quoted clearly states that non-UK EASA licences issued before the cutoff can be converted to UK licences.

The EU has published conversion rules (again it's all in the link you shared) stating what must be done. They've also said that it's up to individual states how that's interpreted.

The general interpretation is that if you passed the EASA ATPL examinations in the UK when it was a member state and they are still valid ​then those examinations meet that requirement and don't need to be retaken. The 7 year validity rule will be counted from the last EASA IR validity - effectively rendering all UK ATPL exams valid until 2028 at the latest. A victory for common sense.

Obviously any UK-only licences issued post-cutoff do not meet this requirement. The real victims at the moment are those who held a UK-issued EASA licence but who were grandfathered into EASA, since they never took the exams in the first place.
I might be one of those victims! I originally got my ATPL theory credit through a combination of a few EASA exams and military exemptions. This satisfied EASA's ATPL theoretical knowledge prior to Brexit. Under the above scheme, do you think someone like Malta would still insist on seeing 14 exam passes despite an individual already holding an ATPL that was fully EASA compliant until last year?
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 16:14
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Who knows? You'd have thought that demonstrating that you held an EASA licence would be the same as showing them exam results, again it's all down to interpretation. I wouldn't give up until I'd tried every member state!

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Old 24th Oct 2021, 10:42
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I might be one of those victims! I originally got my ATPL theory credit through a combination of a few EASA exams and military exemptions. This satisfied EASA's ATPL theoretical knowledge prior to Brexit. Under the above scheme, do you think someone like Malta would still insist on seeing 14 exam passes despite an individual already holding an ATPL that was fully EASA compliant until last year?
I am in a similar position, my UK issued ATPLH is up to date with a valid type rating (issued in Finland this year) - it seems that Malta would accept this and allow me to transfer my licence to their nation and let me fly EU registered aircraft.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 14:09
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Your UK issued EASA is now a UK licence.if you put any renewals onto it where you need to send it back to UK CAA it will come back without any mention of EASA printed onto it. You can currently fly only G reg aircraft on this licence. If you want an EASA licence aswell you have missed the cut off date to transfer but in the future this may change.( Theres a possibility to apply initial EASA through for instance with Malta,for a separate stand alone EASA licence based on previous taken ATPL exams) When you next renew your class one it will only have UK CAA printed onto it aswell .
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 18:01
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justasmallfire - thanks for that
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 14:38
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Thanks crab & rudestuff
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:14
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There is one thing that I am not clear with the example of Malta, that is if you convert your UK license (as opposed to validate) will you loose your UK license or can you keep both if you are successful in the process?
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 13:55
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You wouldn't be converting your licence. You would be using your U.K. licence to validate your experience for the issue of an EASA licence.

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Old 27th Oct 2021, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Joel_Bates View Post
Are you 100% sure that EASA licence holders can operate G reg? Will EASA holders after 2022 have to resit all 14 ATPL's again if they want to obtain a UK CAA license as well?
Yes, under validation until Dec 2022. Post this date who knows but why would you wait to find out? Perhaps if there are some mutual licensing agreements between the UK and the EU by 2023 then it may still be possible to get an EASA licence but judging by the freedoms, cabotage etc. that have been negotiated so far, I seriously doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. As with all things EU, there are a lot of states that have to be in agreement and we have to accept that we are very much a third country in the eyes of EASA.
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