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AS350 Helo Crash in Palmer, Alaska

Old 30th Mar 2021, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer View Post
Fact of the matter is high net worth individuals will carry limitations on their modes of transport.
Bellringer, I assume your interaction with UHNW's is limited to flying them around "Driving Miss Daisy" style". Do you actually get a chance to sit and speak with them? I don't work in aviation; I work in finance, so this is more commonplace for me.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Sikpilot View Post
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 01:16
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Originally Posted by RMK View Post
Bellringer, I assume your interaction with UHNW's is limited to flying them around "Driving Miss Daisy" style". Do you actually get a chance to sit and speak with them? I don't work in aviation; I work in finance, so this is more commonplace for me.
ďI work in financeĒ !!!! Whoopy f***ing Doo......

You work in finance or insurance? Last time I spoke with my finance and insurance guys they were both different entities? Correct me if Iím wrong but I thought this thread had drifted to insurance? Finally I donít think some of those on board needed much financial advice....
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 02:25
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My destination was the other side of a ridge that I could see clearly in the distance on a gin clear day. Cruising along and there was a sudden squawk from the radalt and the side of a rock wizzed by my right ear. It was then, because it was now in shadow, that I saw this ridge I had just flown over without seeing it because it was invisible against an identical background
From the few details given it would seem your experience FED would be a perfect explanation.
If I had one of the world's wealthiest with me, I would be considering my choices carefully
One would hope the size of one's wallet would have no relevance to the choices made. Understand the point you make though Br.
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 08:31
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The one survivor was still in the fuselage which may have saved him ..... the other occupants were elsewhere ..... as I said earlier the 900 foot tumble down the mountain may have been more destructive than the impact ....

Survivor is in serious but stable condition .... probably the 6 hours he spent in the freezing cold would add to his complications

https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/03...-alaska-slope/
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 23:12
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The wreckage of a helicopter that crashed last weekend, killing five people, will have to be hoisted off a mountain by the company that owned it, a U.S. investigator said.
Hmmm. That looks like FAA is pushing the limits of their authority with that one. Are they going to order the owner to provide catered meals to the inspectors next?
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 14:12
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Originally Posted by jeepjeep View Post
Hmmm. That looks like FAA is pushing the limits of their authority with that one.
FYI: The rules governing the NTSB have always been that way. The owner, or their agent, is responsible for the wreckage before, during, and after the investigation. For example, there are a number of wrecks around Alaska that were never recovered long after the NTSB was done for various reasons.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 19:50
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Originally Posted by jeepjeep View Post
Hmmm. That looks like FAA is pushing the limits of their authority with that one. Are they going to order the owner to provide catered meals to the inspectors next?
NTSB is not the FAA.
It is pretty normal to clean up your own mess, most common in cooperation with your insurance company.
Who else do you suggest should do it?!
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 20:35
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I saw a picture of the helicopter looking reasonably intact (minus the blades obviously) and a long way below a small debris field near the ridge. I know the article says they hit just below the ridge. But is it clear they were en route and hit the ridge rather than landing to drop off skiers? It certainly looked like somewhere you could ski down. An accident involving a rotor blade strike possibly on an unmarked landing site seems at least possible.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 03:56
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The reported agency mandate for airlifting the fuselage dictates means and methods for debris removal. The parties paying for debris removal no longer have the ability to control the cost of the site clean up. Sorry, I have a problem with that, and I question whether there there is actually a clear legislative mandate behind that order. Agency rules and regs are not necessarily supported by legislative mandate. That's all.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 03:59
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The Knik Glacier area is is a national resources management area ... tourists have to carry their garbage out when they leave , and I suppose that applies to aircraft wreckage as well .... most likely it is now the insurers responsibility and they will cover the costs.

Another helicopter was used to sling the crashed machine to a building in Palmer AK where investigators will examine it.

The sole survivor has now been upgraded to good condition.

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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 09:45
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Originally Posted by lederhosen View Post
I saw a picture of the helicopter looking reasonably intact (minus the blades obviously) and a long way below a small debris field near the ridge. I know the article says they hit just below the ridge. But is it clear they were en route and hit the ridge rather than landing to drop off skiers? It certainly looked like somewhere you could ski down. An accident involving a rotor blade strike possibly on an unmarked landing site seems at least possible.
The cabin of a 350, does not take much when you hit nose first at some speed. Looking at the slope, weather reports and damage to the cabin, I think bladestrike while dropping ogf the skiers is a plausible theory. Will be interesting to hear what the survivor says.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 14:49
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Originally Posted by jeepjeep View Post
The reported agency mandate for airlifting the fuselage dictates means and methods for debris removal. The parties paying for debris removal no longer have the ability to control the cost of the site clean up.
Are you implying there was an alternate method to recover the aircraft/debris other than airlifting?
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 05:24
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I think bladestrike while dropping ogf the skiers is a plausible theory
Can't find a photo including the cabin area, but think you may be correct.


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Old 4th Apr 2021, 08:29
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Judging by the state of the snow cover it certainly wasn't a CFIT due to whiteout in the cruise.
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