If you’re going to be daft enough...
That's the French version in the same circumstances... I might have asked the farm shop delivery to be handed the sarny at the end of a broom handle myself but in any case you cannot leave your machine without regular flying, same with your muscle memory sake...
When we’re young we are endowed with the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong. What we can or can’t do.
That is instilled by the social structures we find ourselves in, not by a profound understanding of whatever legal system we have been born into.
When people need to justify their behaviour purely by what has been written into law, it’s only because they are trying to justify their behaviour, and usually not because it benefits anyone other than themselves.
The world has been through more challenging times and emerged. There was just a common goal to work together and succeed and less whining.
Then again they didn’t have Facebook then.
That is instilled by the social structures we find ourselves in, not by a profound understanding of whatever legal system we have been born into.
When people need to justify their behaviour purely by what has been written into law, it’s only because they are trying to justify their behaviour, and usually not because it benefits anyone other than themselves.
The world has been through more challenging times and emerged. There was just a common goal to work together and succeed and less whining.
Then again they didn’t have Facebook then.
When we’re young we are endowed with the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong. What we can or can’t do.
That is instilled by the social structures we find ourselves in, not by a profound understanding of whatever legal system we have been born into.
When people need to justify their behaviour purely by what has been written into law, it’s only because they are trying to justify their behaviour, and usually not because it benefits anyone other than themselves.
The world has been through more challenging times and emerged. There was just a common goal to work together and succeed and less whining.
Then again they didn’t have Facebook then.
That is instilled by the social structures we find ourselves in, not by a profound understanding of whatever legal system we have been born into.
When people need to justify their behaviour purely by what has been written into law, it’s only because they are trying to justify their behaviour, and usually not because it benefits anyone other than themselves.
The world has been through more challenging times and emerged. There was just a common goal to work together and succeed and less whining.
Then again they didn’t have Facebook then.
206 Jock - I don’t want an argument but I’ll defend what and who I like. It’s no more your business to criticise than it’s mine to defend - except perhaps I know the pilot and the circumstances where you probably no neither. Quite frankly I know what its like to have been vilified in the press when no one but me and a select few know the exact truth and then have no real opportunity to reply.
The fact that we are even locked down is a national disgrace. The rules are a joke, the response to the pandemic are nationally, and globally, a gross over reaction and the fact that anyone’s civil liberties have been restricted in this way is beyond scandalous. Nevertheless it’s everyone’s choice what they do and if the pilot here wants to fly their aircraft in any manner whatsoever its their business and their business alone.
We’ve become a politically correct, left wing, prissy, woke and snowflake society, so scared of it’s own shadow that the unfounded fear of death has made people frightened to live.................
The fact that we are even locked down is a national disgrace. The rules are a joke, the response to the pandemic are nationally, and globally, a gross over reaction and the fact that anyone’s civil liberties have been restricted in this way is beyond scandalous. Nevertheless it’s everyone’s choice what they do and if the pilot here wants to fly their aircraft in any manner whatsoever its their business and their business alone.
We’ve become a politically correct, left wing, prissy, woke and snowflake society, so scared of it’s own shadow that the unfounded fear of death has made people frightened to live.................
It is sad to see so much selfishness in the Uk nowadays and thereferences to WW2 always somewhat amuse me because our current lockdown isnt dissimilar to restrictions on personal freedoms back then. Just because the enemy isnt visible doesn't mean it isnt at least as dangerous, flouting blackout rules just wasn't done that much law or no law. Views like how can be visiting your family be against the law well it can be quite easily , Berlin in the 60s-80s , WW 2 Vichy France vs occupied France, eastern Europe. Every so often these nasty situations occur and we have to deal with them as a society.
This is a grave and dangerous situation globally and people who think it is all overblown and unnecessary are either willfully ignorant or terminally stupid or voted for Donald Trump. Many Ppruners are of an older age demographic and we should thank our stars that this si the worst our generation has had to deal with -for our parents /grandparents and same age citizens of countries not far away they have had to deal with far worse. We should be sensible and accept that at times the public good is worth more than individual rights. and this helicopter guy is just a bloody idiot who as has been said brought the rotary and GA communities into disrepute.
This is a grave and dangerous situation globally and people who think it is all overblown and unnecessary are either willfully ignorant or terminally stupid or voted for Donald Trump. Many Ppruners are of an older age demographic and we should thank our stars that this si the worst our generation has had to deal with -for our parents /grandparents and same age citizens of countries not far away they have had to deal with far worse. We should be sensible and accept that at times the public good is worth more than individual rights. and this helicopter guy is just a bloody idiot who as has been said brought the rotary and GA communities into disrepute.
From: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national...1-e3109cce8eae
"Leaving homeYou must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:
Staying in your local area means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."
I would not think collecting a beef sandwich would meet the "necessary" threshold with regards to leaving the local area.
"Leaving homeYou must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:
- shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person
- go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot reasonably do so from home
- exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person (in which case you should stay 2m apart). Exercise should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
- meet your support bubble or childcare bubble where necessary, but only if you are legally permitted to form one
- seek medical assistance or avoid injury, illness or risk of harm (including domestic abuse)
- attend education or childcare - for those eligible
Staying in your local area means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."
I would not think collecting a beef sandwich would meet the "necessary" threshold with regards to leaving the local area.
From: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national...1-e3109cce8eae
"Leaving homeYou must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:
Staying in your local area means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."
I would not think collecting a beef sandwich would meet the "necessary" threshold with regards to leaving the local area.
"Leaving homeYou must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:
- shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person
- go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot reasonably do so from home
- exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person (in which case you should stay 2m apart). Exercise should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
- meet your support bubble or childcare bubble where necessary, but only if you are legally permitted to form one
- seek medical assistance or avoid injury, illness or risk of harm (including domestic abuse)
- attend education or childcare - for those eligible
Staying in your local area means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."
I would not think collecting a beef sandwich would meet the "necessary" threshold with regards to leaving the local area.
I'm not a lawyer so I think a reasonable starting position is to assume that the official government guidance on the law is indeed accurate and in accordance with the law. If you think it is not then I will be interested in seeing your explanation for how this is so. Otherwise I believe you are diverting and obfuscating as the guidance is there to make things clear for non lawyers.
In theory there should not be any significant difference between the two, anyway: unfortunately, that has not always been the case. Add in a dose of media misunderstanding, over simplification & shorthand, mixed with over zealous policing, you get people legitimately going about their business, yet made pariahs - whilst pseudo politicians flout their own rules & get away with it...
I'm not a lawyer so I think a reasonable starting position is to assume that the official government guidance on the law is indeed accurate and in accordance with the law. If you think it is not then I will be interested in seeing your explanation for how this is so. Otherwise I believe you are diverting and obfuscating as the guidance is there to make things clear for non lawyers.
Morally and sensible is a different arguement
It is constantly amazing how people from ordinary joes to the highest office in the land will happily distort the obvious truth to suit their own agendas and justify the actions they know deep down are wrong but were what they felt they should be allowed to do because they are somehow special and above the rules and guidance that the rest of us live by.
When you have consummate liars in public office and those who think that money in the bank gives them extra rights, we will struggle to get things like health and poverty under control.
When you have consummate liars in public office and those who think that money in the bank gives them extra rights, we will struggle to get things like health and poverty under control.
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Wow, there are some really strong, socialistic, ethical opinions being thrown about here. Very emotional.
keep it real boys and girls.....matey in the Hughes shouldn’t have flown to the local farm shop to pick up a sandwich. It’s called “taking the piss”......and one day it can back fire and it usually does. Especially for someone bossing it up in a helichopter like this.
If you want to so called “support” your local business, write a cheque for them to cover their business rates for the last year....Or something along those lines. Not William-wave by flying your flash chopper into their back garden to buy a spam sandwich. Nice Hughes though, can I have a go please mate?
keep it real boys and girls.....matey in the Hughes shouldn’t have flown to the local farm shop to pick up a sandwich. It’s called “taking the piss”......and one day it can back fire and it usually does. Especially for someone bossing it up in a helichopter like this.
If you want to so called “support” your local business, write a cheque for them to cover their business rates for the last year....Or something along those lines. Not William-wave by flying your flash chopper into their back garden to buy a spam sandwich. Nice Hughes though, can I have a go please mate?
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Helicrazi,
Silverelise asked a question about what rules had been broken, Krypton_john answered it, where did anyone specify law?
Some of the 'rules' are enforceable by law, but it's just semantics, commonsense should have prevailed in this case.
Silverelise asked a question about what rules had been broken, Krypton_john answered it, where did anyone specify law?
Some of the 'rules' are enforceable by law, but it's just semantics, commonsense should have prevailed in this case.
For instance, guidance is shop alone in supermarkets, if 2 people go together then they arent breaking the law, they are going against guidance.
What law did this guy break? Can anyone point it out?
I'm not saying this guy is right or wrong, I'm not getting into that. What I'm saying is, the whole thing is a mess.
Post Brexit, indeed since that annoying Joan of Arc, English law has not applied to people in France. I am very sad about this but not sure why we are discussing the Cabri video...
The UK law is clear: You must have a reasonable excuse for leaving home. The guidance gives examples but is not exhaustive. It is not up to the police to decide, although they seem far too willing to do so, it is up to the Courts. The Courts would consider the defense as well as the guidance. They would clearly consider CAA guidance as the CAA would be considered an expert witness and read that you are indeed allowed short flights for the purpose of maintenance but unless you are a commercial pilot undertaking training or on a commercial flight you cant land away, travel 100s of miles, pick up a beef sandwich etc etc.
Personally, although I think the initial rules were too lax I think we are now far too concerned about mutations. Outdoor activities (and most helicopters count as outside
) are safe especially if you are on your own. The risk was negligible but sadly the restaurant filmed it and the police are investigating what appears to be an illegal act. Far worse, he has perpetuated the image of the rich businessman who doesnt care about anyone else and flies around in a dangerous noisy machine. Lets close another airfield, lets introduce some more restrictions....
The UK law is clear: You must have a reasonable excuse for leaving home. The guidance gives examples but is not exhaustive. It is not up to the police to decide, although they seem far too willing to do so, it is up to the Courts. The Courts would consider the defense as well as the guidance. They would clearly consider CAA guidance as the CAA would be considered an expert witness and read that you are indeed allowed short flights for the purpose of maintenance but unless you are a commercial pilot undertaking training or on a commercial flight you cant land away, travel 100s of miles, pick up a beef sandwich etc etc.
Personally, although I think the initial rules were too lax I think we are now far too concerned about mutations. Outdoor activities (and most helicopters count as outside
) are safe especially if you are on your own. The risk was negligible but sadly the restaurant filmed it and the police are investigating what appears to be an illegal act. Far worse, he has perpetuated the image of the rich businessman who doesnt care about anyone else and flies around in a dangerous noisy machine. Lets close another airfield, lets introduce some more restrictions....
