R44 200ftAGL engine out Autorotation video
Don't forget this is likely to become a problem in the UK, too. ShootingUK estimates the population is now up to 2600 and climbing rapidly. See also the link I posted earlier in this thread. Now is the time for you folks to completely eradicate them, before it's too late.
My dear boy, you seem to forget that in the UK, we have successfully controlled our wild animals for many hundreds of years before the helicopter, the AR15 and the USA even existed .. we constantly keep wild animal populations in check, protect and reintroduce endangered species and don’t fly around shooting at anything that moves for fun, just saying!
aa777888 - I'd pick a Barrett 0.5 inch as my choice - a bit big for helicopter use maybe but if you hit it you will kill it unlike the 5.56mm AR - I understand the need to eradicate the hogs but there is no need to be cruel about it, wounding them to leave them dying in pain.
aa777888,
My dear boy, you seem to forget that in the UK, we have successfully controlled our wild animals for many hundreds of years before the helicopter, the AR15 and the USA even existed .. we constantly keep wild animal populations in check, protect and reintroduce endangered species and don’t fly around shooting at anything that moves for fun, just saying!
My dear boy, you seem to forget that in the UK, we have successfully controlled our wild animals for many hundreds of years before the helicopter, the AR15 and the USA even existed .. we constantly keep wild animal populations in check, protect and reintroduce endangered species and don’t fly around shooting at anything that moves for fun, just saying!
Hence the parks in Berlin are always a work in progress, the pigs can undo in a night what took months to grow and plant.
Given the political realities, I'd not be so confident about the ability to keep feral pigs in check. Germany has a similar feral pig issue afaik, but is prevented from effective countermeasures by a vociferous lobby.
Hence the parks in Berlin are always a work in progress, the pigs can undo in a night what took months to grow and plant.
Hence the parks in Berlin are always a work in progress, the pigs can undo in a night what took months to grow and plant.
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Given the political realities, I'd not be so confident about the ability to keep feral pigs in check. Germany has a similar feral pig issue afaik, but is prevented from effective countermeasures by a vociferous lobby.
Hence the parks in Berlin are always a work in progress, the pigs can undo in a night what took months to grow and plant.
Hence the parks in Berlin are always a work in progress, the pigs can undo in a night what took months to grow and plant.
"aa777888 - I'd pick a Barrett 0.5 inch as my choice - a bit big for helicopter use maybe but if you hit it you will kill it unlike the 5.56mm AR - I understand the need to eradicate the hogs but there is no need to be cruel about it, wounding them to leave them dying in pain."
I don't think anyone knows more about aerial culling than the Kiwi's. If I'm not mistaken, 7.62 or 00 buckshot are the choice. 5.56 has its place depending on the species. The AR platform is popular due to being light, reliable, and configurable.
A professional aerial shooter should be able to headshoot the animal.
Pigs are a huge problem in Australia as well. 24 million plus feral population...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...mbers/11216010
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...-cull/10604376
Link to Aus government SOP's for further reading...
https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-res...of-feral-pigs/
I don't agree with the recommendation that the R44/B206 are the preferred aircraft. The MD500 was long ago proved to be the ultimate aerial shooting platform.
I don't think anyone knows more about aerial culling than the Kiwi's. If I'm not mistaken, 7.62 or 00 buckshot are the choice. 5.56 has its place depending on the species. The AR platform is popular due to being light, reliable, and configurable.
A professional aerial shooter should be able to headshoot the animal.
Pigs are a huge problem in Australia as well. 24 million plus feral population...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...mbers/11216010
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...-cull/10604376
Link to Aus government SOP's for further reading...
https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-res...of-feral-pigs/
I don't agree with the recommendation that the R44/B206 are the preferred aircraft. The MD500 was long ago proved to be the ultimate aerial shooting platform.
Because it was said the rifle of a front seat passenger, who was engaged in feral hog shooting, knocked the switch which turned off the magnetos which caused the engine to stop which resulted in the helicopter pancaking.
Arguably more camera straps have caused helicopter accidents than potentially a rogue rifle bumping a mag switch.
And secondly, because then - as you say - the engine would stop. The whole issue is that the engine worked just fine with the engine switch in the off position.
As much as it suits our narrative that somehow miraculously the switch came right during flight and did what it was supposed to do (ie kill engine), this might be jumping to conclusions.
There could be any number of other reasons why an engine fails after takeoff, even with magnetos working.
The owner of the aircraft told me that is what happened. And the engine kept running due to an intermittent electrical fault that didn't ground the L magneto in the OFF position. Until it did ground the magneto. Whether or not they cooked up that story to suit their own purposes, who knows. If that engine was running only on one magneto at take-off I find it pretty difficult to believe even the most superficially observant pilot would not notice that. If not seeing the key position in the switch, the sound and performance of the engine should have been a giveaway.
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Failed to check the Mags
R44 have several different possible panels.
If he was used to flying a Beta II
that same 2 oclock position would be
both. A careful examination of that screen shot shows
its the version where it was OFF.
Makes you wonder how that happened.
If he was used to flying a Beta II
that same 2 oclock position would be
both. A careful examination of that screen shot shows
its the version where it was OFF.
Makes you wonder how that happened.
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Ah, that's where he went wrong - he was flying a Robertson not a Robinson
- sorry couldn't resist
- sorry couldn't resist
What has any of this got to do with an R44 pancaking?
The NSW, Australia video Mike linked to, highlights the need for a concerted, co-ordinated cull on a large scale otherwise this problem is going to keep getting worse for all concerned. Is there a State or Federal department that could do this?
Big Mike - from what I have read, these hogs have very thick heads so a head shot might not be the answer.
hargreaves99 - from any photo I can find of the 44 cockpit, the OFF position is in the 10 o'clock as SCPL says - your screen grab has the key in the 2 o'clock position
Crab, from the photo above you can clearly see that there is no legend in the 10 o'clock position on the panel. In fact you can see that it is printed in the 5 o'clock position and if you zoom in you can even see that it says 'both'
Belay my last - I went back and looked at the photo at the beginning that Hargreaves posted and that does match the crash aircraft, clearly showing the OFF position as 2 o'clock. Strange that a lot of photos on the web of R44 cockpits show a different arrangement - is the Raven different from the Raven II in this respect?
Why wouldn't you have a standard switch for all your helicopters if you are Uncle Frank?
So we are back to the reason that the engine stopped was the pilot's fault
Why wouldn't you have a standard switch for all your helicopters if you are Uncle Frank?
So we are back to the reason that the engine stopped was the pilot's fault
The Australian Govt's webpage that BigMike's last link takes you to makes for interesting reading - have a look at the recommendations and safety measures listed there, especially with reference to humane killing and confirming kills and then look at the videos on the web from the same company involved in this crash and see if you can see any adherence to what might be considered 'best-practice'.