Helicopter down in South Tirol
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Helicopter down in South Tirol
This came up on a mountain rescue FB group.
5 POB, 2 taken to hospital with minor injuries. Not much more known.
https://www.suedtirolnews.it/chronik...urz-im-sarntal
5 POB, 2 taken to hospital with minor injuries. Not much more known.
https://www.suedtirolnews.it/chronik...urz-im-sarntal
This came up on a mountain rescue FB group.
5 POB, 2 taken to hospital with minor injuries. Not much more known.
https://www.suedtirolnews.it/chronik...urz-im-sarntal
5 POB, 2 taken to hospital with minor injuries. Not much more known.
https://www.suedtirolnews.it/chronik...urz-im-sarntal
That makes 7 POB - 2 minor injuries, 5 uninjured which seems incredible given that it looks like the skids are pointing upwards....
Just a correction based off your linked article - it states two occupants sustained minor injuries, five further occupants were uninjured, according to "Alto Adige".
That makes 7 POB - 2 minor injuries, 5 uninjured which seems incredible given that it looks like the skids are pointing upwards....
That makes 7 POB - 2 minor injuries, 5 uninjured which seems incredible given that it looks like the skids are pointing upwards....
Does not look like a CRFS fitted machine, judging by the fire!
There is one known operator of a black H125 located in the valley of the mishap (Sarntal)...wonder if it is his chopper..anyone with the reg.? Cannot find it in local news reports so far.
Thanks, couldn't find the info on the ANSV page somehow...yes, that's the black H125. Owner and (most probably) pilot owns a business in Sarntal incl. a PC-12 along with hangar and landing strip (quite a challenging approach into that airfield). Seems to be a six-seater H125. Aircraft flying incl. handover at Airbus Marseille in 2019 can be found on Youtube...
Glad all onboard walked away with little or no injuries...
Glad all onboard walked away with little or no injuries...
Back of the envelope maths with 1400kg EEW, 7 pax (80kgs each), an hour of fuel (150kg), and 280kg for the external load puts it at 2390kg.
Not sure what altitude it occurred at but here's the HOGE data in case someone else has that info. I'm sure this one's gonna be performance / planning* related.
Glad everyone's OK.
*skills / airmanship
Not sure what altitude it occurred at but here's the HOGE data in case someone else has that info. I'm sure this one's gonna be performance / planning* related.
Glad everyone's OK.
*skills / airmanship
Uhmmm... the same ANSV press release (supposed to be an official and the most authoritative source) states that there were 5 occupants only, not 5+2 as implies in the newspaper article.
Has anyone heard of carrying a skidoo as external load and many pax on an AS 350? Add a little bit of mountain weather, potential wires and other unknowns what could possibly go wrong?.... wonder was the rich guy from Italy the pilot or the one putting demands on the pilot/pilots....hopefully not another case of peer pressure causing a disaster.
Confirmed 5 pax. "Rich guy from Italy" is quite a stereotype. I guess anyone who can afford to own a plane or copter is rich in most people's terms (he owns a PC-12 and a Kodiak as well). I am pretty sure the owner who runs a family business in Sarntal was the pilot flying so no peer pressure involved. He is an aviation enthusiast and seems very experienced and familiar with Alpine flying (both rotor and fixed wing) and with one of the most demanding approach in the Alps which is into his own landing strip next to his factory in Sarntal. I went there this summer to take a look at the demanding environs around his field by myself. Just look up Locher Airfield. He runs his own youtube channel with two videos of him flying the mishap heli which he acquired in 2019 brand new from Airbus.
Back of the envelope maths with 1400kg EEW, 7 pax (80kgs each), an hour of fuel (150kg), and 280kg for the external load puts it at 2390kg.
Not sure what altitude it occurred at but here's the HOGE data in case someone else has that info. I'm sure this one's gonna be performance / planning* related.
Glad everyone's OK.
*skills / airmanship
Not sure what altitude it occurred at but here's the HOGE data in case someone else has that info. I'm sure this one's gonna be performance / planning* related.
Glad everyone's OK.
*skills / airmanship
Now, if this was a private flight, then I'm not sure if there is a prohibition in the regs against flying pax and cargo at the same time, since it is not for hire. Then the load-limit for the B3 is 2800kgs AUW, and by dropping the snowmobile you might be below 2250 IF you don't bring bags of fuel as said earlier....
As for 7 POB, on one picture it sure looks like the machine has the mod for bench front pax. From experience, if you use the bench, you must have max load in the aft compartment to stay within C.G and then you can't have all seats occupied by average built adults 80kg's on new H125/B3's with 1 hour fuel without busting internal AUW and then I'm not counting anything on the hook.
As for the wire (telephone-line?) in the picture, I don't think it did contribute, but much rather the snow-covered steepish hill with semi-bad references and the pilot's experience. Snowmobile on a short sling, concentrating on putting it down gently, stick the tail or MR-blade into the snow as situational awareness is not all that great.... that will do the trick, but this is pure speculation.
Has anyone heard of carrying a skidoo as external load and many pax on an AS 350?
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As for the wire (telephone-line?) in the picture, I don't think it did contribute, but much rather the snow-covered steepish hill with semi-bad references and the pilot's experience. Snowmobile on a short sling, concentrating on putting it down gently, stick the tail or MR-blade into the snow as situational awareness is not all that great.... that will do the trick, but this is pure speculation.
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From the same owner video, go to 3:58: We have seen this before, including the warning of the risk of departing pax moving uphill...
Last edited by Hot and Hi; 1st Jan 2021 at 14:28.
From the same owner video, go to 3:58: We have seen this before, including the warning of the risk of departing pax moving uphill...
https://youtu.be/dceJsScETTg?t=239
https://youtu.be/dceJsScETTg?t=239
The whole appearance and lack of airmanship you see in this videoclip, and if the news reporting is semi accurate, tell me more than enough...... Thankfully it seems that nobody got hurt!
On a general note, be vary of rich/semi-rich/selfmade individuals that is successful in sports or business, that suddenly spend some of their money on things that can fall out of the sky if not handled properly.....