"Outside" magazine hit piece on air tours
People do like to complain.
It is one thing buying a house near an airport (usually at a lower cost to compensate), and then complaining about it.
It gets a bit woolier when you've lived near a quiet field and then the number of movements significantly ramp up.
Air tours are a valid and relevant service.
Different countries treat the service, particularly in sensitive areas, differently, and control the different types of activities so the area isn't spoilt by noise or pollution, or even people for that matter.
There comes a point where a service can become pervasive, and starts to affect the enjoyment of the area, not just for residents but also other visitors.
The more popular the place, the more intrusive is the problem.
Telling people raised in a town, most who have been there a long, long time, that they should go live somewhere else so you can make a buck is ludicrous and the sort of tosspot attitude that some (not all) operators display.
"reasonable" is an abstract concept and something two sides will never agree on, but you would hope that sensible people can find some form of compromise where they can all co-exist.
Conflicts will only increase as development encroaches on airfields, environmental impact becomes top-of-mind and these types of services become in greater demand.
In a post-Covid world, of course.
In the meanwhile, to quote from Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence.
It is one thing buying a house near an airport (usually at a lower cost to compensate), and then complaining about it.
It gets a bit woolier when you've lived near a quiet field and then the number of movements significantly ramp up.
Air tours are a valid and relevant service.
Different countries treat the service, particularly in sensitive areas, differently, and control the different types of activities so the area isn't spoilt by noise or pollution, or even people for that matter.
There comes a point where a service can become pervasive, and starts to affect the enjoyment of the area, not just for residents but also other visitors.
The more popular the place, the more intrusive is the problem.
Telling people raised in a town, most who have been there a long, long time, that they should go live somewhere else so you can make a buck is ludicrous and the sort of tosspot attitude that some (not all) operators display.
"reasonable" is an abstract concept and something two sides will never agree on, but you would hope that sensible people can find some form of compromise where they can all co-exist.
Conflicts will only increase as development encroaches on airfields, environmental impact becomes top-of-mind and these types of services become in greater demand.
In a post-Covid world, of course.
In the meanwhile, to quote from Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence.
crab, I'm not going down a global warming rat hole with you. At least pretend this is an aviation forum.
Let's be honest - the love of aviation is often driven by a desire to look down on what the poor people are doing rather than any altruistic notion.
In twenty more years, short bloody revolution, the US will be the UK, and you will all have your best wishes come true.
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I don't think you will have to wait 20 years for your revolution but the US won't become the UK. The white supremacists are armed and ready and spoiling for a fight - so much for live and let live - and outbreaks of violence will much more likely be race-based than political.
However that is all merely hand waiving. The real reason that the America of the twentieth century will fall in the twenty first century is because American political power has always been for sale, and that massive conflict of interest (people voting themselves a better life) that is the American voting system has gone from rich, white landowners to now literally anyone. And when the mob rules socialism reigns. The last real bastion of the constitutional republic (America is NOT a democracy, not yet, anyhow!) is the Electoral College. It'll never be eliminated by a Constitutional amendment, but it can be neutered by state legislation, and socialist controlled state legislatures are doing a fine job of chipping away at it.
So I hope you are right about the eventual outcome (not about race wars, though!) but I seriously doubt it.
aa777888 - when I listen to a radio interview with an American with extensive experience of white supremacists - having been inside many of their groups for many years - I hear a man with a far less optimistic view than yours.
Groups of the sort that spawned Timothy McVeigh have stockpiles of arms and explosives and just want an excuse to put it to the liberals or the blacks or the commies and whose mantra really seems to be 'F**k the Liberals' - are just spoiling for the opportunity to defend their 'freedoms' - Let's hope he is wrong.
You don't seem to understand that your idea of socialism is still right of centre and nowhere near the threat of communism you have feared since the 50s and McCarthyism. The antifa are just against facists, that doesn't make them pro-communist.
Groups of the sort that spawned Timothy McVeigh have stockpiles of arms and explosives and just want an excuse to put it to the liberals or the blacks or the commies and whose mantra really seems to be 'F**k the Liberals' - are just spoiling for the opportunity to defend their 'freedoms' - Let's hope he is wrong.
You don't seem to understand that your idea of socialism is still right of centre and nowhere near the threat of communism you have feared since the 50s and McCarthyism. The antifa are just against facists, that doesn't make them pro-communist.
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So you are more of an expert on America than an American that lives it every day, eh? And you believe the media more than a grass roots report with no need to sell air time? If you believe what you hear from mass media, or even from the likes of a monetized Youtube channel, that is extremely naïve, bordering on ignorant, and potentially much worse than that.
Go on believing whatever you want to believe.
Go on believing whatever you want to believe.
Many of us have spent more time in the “united” states, speaking to the diverse cultures that represent a less than united nation.
like others, I probably have more experience talking to “americans” than most of your countrymen have beyond county lines.
It’s no secret that it takes an outsider to see how narrow a perspective there is and how globally ignorant many of your countryman are.
In the many years i have spent travelling the nation and supporting it’s businesses, never before has a country been so determined to be irrelevant or become as big a joke on the global stage.
Really unfortunate and an opportunity missed.
like others, I probably have more experience talking to “americans” than most of your countrymen have beyond county lines.
It’s no secret that it takes an outsider to see how narrow a perspective there is and how globally ignorant many of your countryman are.
In the many years i have spent travelling the nation and supporting it’s businesses, never before has a country been so determined to be irrelevant or become as big a joke on the global stage.
Really unfortunate and an opportunity missed.
Many of us have spent more time in the “united” states, speaking to the diverse cultures that represent a less than united nation.
like others, I probably have more experience talking to “americans” than most of your countrymen have beyond county lines.
It’s no secret that it takes an outsider to see how narrow a perspective there is and how globally ignorant many of your countryman are.
In the many years i have spent travelling the nation and supporting it’s businesses, never before has a country been so determined to be irrelevant or become as big a joke on the global stage.
Really unfortunate and an opportunity missed.
like others, I probably have more experience talking to “americans” than most of your countrymen have beyond county lines.
It’s no secret that it takes an outsider to see how narrow a perspective there is and how globally ignorant many of your countryman are.
In the many years i have spent travelling the nation and supporting it’s businesses, never before has a country been so determined to be irrelevant or become as big a joke on the global stage.
Really unfortunate and an opportunity missed.
So you are more of an expert on America than an American that lives it every day, eh? And you believe the media more than a grass roots report with no need to sell air time? If you believe what you hear from mass media, or even from the likes of a monetized Youtube channel, that is extremely naïve, bordering on ignorant, and potentially much worse than that.
Go on believing whatever you want to believe.
Go on believing whatever you want to believe.
I'll enjoy news from reputable and trustworthy broadcasters, you just enjoy Fox News.................
We get low flying complaints and noise complaints and we treat them all courteously and, where possible, alter routes and operating areas because - although we are making money in a commercial enterprise - we live here too and understand that our presence isn't a God-given right. Noise does piss people off and they have as much right to complain as we have to make it.
If someone disagrees with you blame the media.
if that fails, call them trolls.
if you only expect to be agreed with, perhaps debate and fora aren’t for you.
Robbee, thanks for a good chuckle.
if that fails, call them trolls.
if you only expect to be agreed with, perhaps debate and fora aren’t for you.
Robbee, thanks for a good chuckle.
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The problem is you are not debating, just making counter accusations. I live here. Real life. Not news. I'm a primary source. Are you telling me my life is a lie? Or that I live a sheltered life? Or that my perception of reality is so twisted that what I say can't be right? You can't know any of that. You just assume.
The problem is you are not debating, just making counter accusations. I live here. Real life. Not news. I'm a primary source. Are you telling me my life is a lie? Or that I live a sheltered life? Or that my perception of reality is so twisted that what I say can't be right? You can't know any of that. You just assume.
Gentlemen,
Talk about thread drift! So back to politics I voted for Boris and the Conservative Party in the Uk since I was allowed, many years ago(back then people of my age were called Thatchers Children) Robbie and aa777888 please do some SERIOUS research before any criticism of this fine Lady.
Quote, Crab,
there's none as deaf as them as don't want to hear and none as blind as them as don't want to see - paraphrase of a Yorkshire saying.
Crab, there is not a chance in hell they would understand that over here! My friends and family here do know and enjoy a Yorkshire Pudding with the Sunday Roast! But even that took along time to explain!
Quote aa777888
I live here. Real life. Not news. I'm a primary source. my life is a lie,I live a sheltered life my perception of reality is so twisted that what I say can't be right..... Correct!
Quote Robbiee
Well, it is every American's God given right to be the dumbest person in the room. At least half of us take that to heart.... not quite that’s all the people that still live in California!
BellRinger, We will all keep banging our heads against aa and rb every time a Robinson is mentioned ... lets be thankful we don’t have to sit in one, hmmm that said did aa777888 post something on another thread today he would be more comfortable to sit in an EC120 or a 505? Did I read that correctly?
In the meantime I must get on with my post/mail in vote for POTUS
Talk about thread drift! So back to politics I voted for Boris and the Conservative Party in the Uk since I was allowed, many years ago(back then people of my age were called Thatchers Children) Robbie and aa777888 please do some SERIOUS research before any criticism of this fine Lady.
Quote, Crab,
there's none as deaf as them as don't want to hear and none as blind as them as don't want to see - paraphrase of a Yorkshire saying.
Crab, there is not a chance in hell they would understand that over here! My friends and family here do know and enjoy a Yorkshire Pudding with the Sunday Roast! But even that took along time to explain!
Quote aa777888
I live here. Real life. Not news. I'm a primary source. my life is a lie,I live a sheltered life my perception of reality is so twisted that what I say can't be right..... Correct!
Quote Robbiee
Well, it is every American's God given right to be the dumbest person in the room. At least half of us take that to heart.... not quite that’s all the people that still live in California!
BellRinger, We will all keep banging our heads against aa and rb every time a Robinson is mentioned ... lets be thankful we don’t have to sit in one, hmmm that said did aa777888 post something on another thread today he would be more comfortable to sit in an EC120 or a 505? Did I read that correctly?
In the meantime I must get on with my post/mail in vote for POTUS
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Oh, another counter accusation. How erudite. But it's all about feelings, not facts, of course.
Play nice in the back seat of the car, children. The adults have better things to do.
You win the interwebs. I'm out.
Play nice in the back seat of the car, children. The adults have better things to do.
You win the interwebs. I'm out.
Is there an emoticon for flouncing out of the chatroom?
