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Old 26th Jun 2020, 21:56
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"Helicopters fly because they are ugly and the earth repels them."

They don't look so ugly when they save your life......................
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 01:13
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Standard response to ragging from the paraffin pigeon drivers in the carrier Wardroom: "You all look the same on the end of the winch wire"
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Georg1na
"Helicopters fly because they are ugly and the earth repels them."

They don't look so ugly when they save your life......................
Remember that these comments come from people that think cessna’s are sexy, that is like taking fashion advice from someone who likes tweed.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Bravo73
If he wants to fly a Chinook in the UK, he’ll have to join the RAF, not the Army.
But he's not in the UK, cobber.
They do things differently down here...
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 19:20
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Surprised SASLess hasn't chipped in here.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 19:34
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Surprised SASLess hasn't chipped in here.
too busy on FB! ;-)
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 06:08
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Definition of a helicopter; A million parts, revolving around an oil, leak waiting for metal fatigue to set in
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 08:20
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Never fly in any air vehicle which has the impertinence to defy the natural laws by refusing to stall when flown too slowly. Unless corrected such impertinence leads to hubris, allowing the air vehicle to believe it is the one in command.

The only air vehicle permitted to defy the natural law in this way is Gods Own aircraft, the Harrier.

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Old 28th Jun 2020, 15:59
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And what did the harrier pilots have to learn to hover in - oh yes, a helicopter
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 17:53
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And what did the harrier pilots have to learn to hover in - oh yes, a helicopter
Aah harriers. View at a museum near you.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 17:59
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I've never flown the Chinook but know many that have. Based on that experience it must be relatively easy to fly.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 18:33
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Take away the gizmos and it is not so easy. One way of preventing the rear rotor from catching up with the front is to differentiate the collective and cyclics. Basically if the rear rotor isn't leaning as far forward as the front it wont catch up. This means it hasn't the same vertical component so it needs more pitch. I believe that on the early Piaseckis or Vertols there was a spirit level in the cockpit to assist you to level it with differential collective.

The problem with twin rotors is the transmission. Apart from the Belvedere one or more of the gearboxs was dependent on a shaft to drive it. This breaks and you have a fatal disymmetry of lift. Luckily AFIK this hasn't happened yet.

The Belvedere had an engine under each rotor and a synchronisation shaft keeping the blades apart. This has broken twice in service. In both cases the pilots flew the aircraft so the rear rotor, turning at a different speed than the front, was stepped above the front until they landed.

The shutdown was quite noisy.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
Remember that these comments come from people that think cessna’s are sexy, that is like taking fashion advice from someone who likes tweed.
Agree with the Cessna comment... but the Tweed comment, You clearly haven’t been to the races at Royal Ascot, racing at Goodwood, Henley Royal Regatta or Polo at Windsor Great Park... Tweed is quite the fashion and receives many compliments when worn, Is there no Tweed at The Durban?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 21:24
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but the Tweed comment, You clearly haven’t been to the races at Royal Ascot,
Wasn’t it Edward VII at Ascot, when he saw Lord Harris in tweed instead of a morning suit, who remarked ‘Mornin’ Harris, going ratting ‘?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 21:53
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Wasn’t it Edward VII at Ascot, when he saw Lord Harris in tweed instead of a morning suit, who remarked ‘Mornin’ Harris, going ratting ‘?
Quite possibly true! I wonder how many people outside of the UK understand the meaning of “ratting” with ferrets or terriers
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 06:31
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
..You clearly haven’t been to the races at Royal Ascot, racing at Goodwood, Henley Royal Regatta or Polo at Windsor Great Park...
Actually, I have been a guest at all of these c/o the significant other and her fondness for all things four-legged. Henley was a welcome break from eau de horse.
They provide some fantastic insight into the British psyche (and frequent lack of dentistry)
But we wafting away from the topic.

If we had a pound for every time we heard the one about the oil leak or the earth repelling, we would all be quite wealthy.
My personal favourite is still:
How do you tell the difference between God and a helicopter pilot?
God doesn't tell you he's a helicopter pilot..

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Old 29th Jun 2020, 07:17
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How do you tell the difference between God and a helicopter pilot?
God can't fly helicopters.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 07:48
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And we worship at the Church of Translational Lift
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 08:55
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Aah harriers. View at a museum near you.
I always said they’d never catch on.

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Old 29th Jun 2020, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver

The problem with twin rotors is the transmission. Apart from the Belvedere one or more of the gearboxs was dependent on a shaft to drive it. This breaks and you have a fatal disymmetry of lift. Luckily AFIK this hasn't happened yet.
The problem here is that two helicopters are being forced to fly in close formation with each other. They are so ugly that they repel each other, so sometimes the shaft breaks.

The shaft certainly has broken on an RAF Chinook, at Odiham. Thankfully the aircraft was in the low hover and the occupants escaped intact. Mind you, everything else broke, too. The pilot told me that after it fell to the ground like a railway carriage, he naturally reached up to shut the engines down and the engine controls had departed, along with the cockpit roof, which was also missing.
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