1 dead, 1 injured in HPD chopper crash
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Try doing that with a decomposing body and see how far you get 
I presume by short haul, you mean rescue basket or similar - no problem with that as long as the casualty can get themselves into it which means they must be conscious and relatively uninjured. For an injured casualty there is no substitute for putting a rescue swimmer or winchman into the water with them.
I presume by short haul, you mean rescue basket or similar - no problem with that as long as the casualty can get themselves into it which means they must be conscious and relatively uninjured. For an injured casualty there is no substitute for putting a rescue swimmer or winchman into the water with them.
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Try doing that with a decomposing body and see how far you get
In fact I am but this is to do with the harsh reality of rescues or body recoveries, one of which is much more 'fun' than the other
Gordy - I completely get all the HEC stuff and for that a winch is not required - pulling a casualty out of the water however, especially at night, is a different matter altogether. How many of your HEC pax are injured, unconscious or otherwise not fit and healthy?
No, I was in NI doing support helo stuff in 85 but heard lots of unpleasant stories about fishing all those bodies from the sea. Had my own experiences of that in later years doing UKSAR
Gordy - I completely get all the HEC stuff and for that a winch is not required - pulling a casualty out of the water however, especially at night, is a different matter altogether. How many of your HEC pax are injured, unconscious or otherwise not fit and healthy?
No, I was in NI doing support helo stuff in 85 but heard lots of unpleasant stories about fishing all those bodies from the sea. Had my own experiences of that in later years doing UKSAR
It’s great to see the extensive medical knowledge about dead people in water amongst our members.... I’m really surprised that this thread has digressed so far off topic ... and before anyone shoots me down I have seen bodies dragged out of water.
Yeah. The diversion happened when I mentioned it was rather odd scrambling the helicopter at 2.00 am to search for a body in a bayou. I still think it could have waited until first light.
What is so unsound with a law enforcement agency utilizing a helicopter with FLIR and NVG trained crew to perform a search at night? I would expect any minimally trained/experienced crew to immediately abort at the first instance the perceived risk becomes too great. What do you think crews are doing when flying patrol duty during the same hours? I have thousands of hours performing this mission (one that has a far better safety record then the HEMS industry).
Just news, or news drama....
it doesn’t make the accident any better...
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9WEtr_1588636183
Tactical Flight Officer Jason Knox, 35, died from his injuries. The pilot, Senior Officer Chase Cormier, 35, was last listed in critical condition at Memorial Hermann Hospital.
The crew was responding to a call about bodies floating in a nearby bayou. No bodies were found and it wasn't clear if the call was legitimate.
As firefighters and officers worked to free the men from the wreckage, shots rang out across the street from the crash. Six people were taken into custody in what was believed to be an unrelated incident, Acevedo said.
Despite the questions and the possible coincidences, shooting at aircraft isn't unheard of.
"It is not commonly known that law enforcement aviation comes under fire on a regular basis across our country," Acevedo said.
it doesn’t make the accident any better...
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9WEtr_1588636183
Tactical Flight Officer Jason Knox, 35, died from his injuries. The pilot, Senior Officer Chase Cormier, 35, was last listed in critical condition at Memorial Hermann Hospital.
The crew was responding to a call about bodies floating in a nearby bayou. No bodies were found and it wasn't clear if the call was legitimate.
As firefighters and officers worked to free the men from the wreckage, shots rang out across the street from the crash. Six people were taken into custody in what was believed to be an unrelated incident, Acevedo said.
Despite the questions and the possible coincidences, shooting at aircraft isn't unheard of.
"It is not commonly known that law enforcement aviation comes under fire on a regular basis across our country," Acevedo said.
A report of "bodies in the bayou" is different from "people in the bayou" - the second one infers that they are trying to stay alive.
This is the really sad part, though.
law enforcement aviation comes under fire on a regular basis across our country
This is the really sad part, though.
I do not think we have ascertained that they were searching for a dead body. I suspect they thought they were searching in the hopes it was a live body.
Yes, get a helicopter up to have a look but mobilise ground/water units to assist in case quick action is needed to preserve life - the helicopter itself is just a location tool if they can't carry out a rescue.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Yes, get a helicopter up to have a look but mobilise ground/water units to assist in case quick action is needed to preserve life - the helicopter itself is just a location tool if they can't carry out a rescue.
Incidentally, there was a water rescue in the town where I am based yesterday---with winch, in daylight.
The question is - what was their plan if they had found a live person in the water at night
The HEMS industry best practice is not to consider patient details when making the go/no-go decision. However here, you people are demanding the opposite. How many HEMS aircrews died flying to pickup the drunk who fell off a park bench? Interesting.
The HEMS industry best practice is not to consider patient details when making the go/no-go decision.
Similarly, if the body is dead, letting it wait till morning won't affect the outcome for the victim.
Sorry, I totally disagree. A proper 'Chinese Wall' means the flight crew have no medical information and the medical crew no met or other flight information. The moment the wall is breached the crew members behave to deal with information they shouldnt have, or worse still their uneducated perception of that information.
Scrambling to an IGTN is a failure of dispatch and the management's policies. same for a body. Totally agree you shouldnt waste resources on such requests, but that sort of decision shouldnt even get to the ready room.
Scrambling to an IGTN is a failure of dispatch and the management's policies. same for a body. Totally agree you shouldnt waste resources on such requests, but that sort of decision shouldnt even get to the ready room.
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NTSB has issued a preliminary report that doesn't seem to add much to what is already known. They did not travel to the crash but the site was inspected by the FAA.
Local media appears to be fixated on the report that the helicopter "rotated" before crashing. There are numerous local rumors that the aircraft may have been hit by gunfire. And details of the incident that resulted in the chopper being sent to that site remain murky.
Houston Chronicle article on NTSB report.
Local media appears to be fixated on the report that the helicopter "rotated" before crashing. There are numerous local rumors that the aircraft may have been hit by gunfire. And details of the incident that resulted in the chopper being sent to that site remain murky.
Houston Chronicle article on NTSB report.
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I know prune will not post anything I post, but you may want to point out to the forum that KPRC Houston is reporting they have a man in custody for shooting a gun into the air at the time and in the proximity to the helecopter crash.