Helicopters and Coronavirus
What? Like what!
I despair at the selfishness my fellow countrymen can sometimes display here in the UK. However when I look at what is happening across the pond and particularly at the mad political nonsense in the States, I very quickly realise that we in the UK are still actually a very civilised society compared to some others. A president that is happy to gloat about people dying in New York because the mayor is of a different political persuation is beyond anything rational or humane!
hillberg.....what? Like what?
I despair at the selfishness my fellow countrymen can sometimes display here in the UK. However when I look at what is happening across the pond and particularly at the mad political nonsense in the States, I very quickly realise that we in the UK are still actually a very civilised society compared to some others. A president that is happy to gloat about people dying in New York because the mayor is of a different political persuation is beyond anything rational or humane!
hillberg.....what? Like what?
hillberg posted a similar crap post on the HEMS and COVID-19 thread last night, he is clearly deluded regarding the seriousness of this situation.
Ignore his ****e and move on!
How can tour flights comply with social distancing?
Saw this news report and wondered how tour companies can comply with current restrictions? As well as the company in this report I also saw last weekend the R44’s on Panama Beach were busy with their 10 minute tours.
A helicopter sightseeing company that lost five passengers in a 2018 East River crash is setting aside social distancing rules as it offers big discounts to lure customers in the coronavirus pandemic.
FlyNYON, a New Jersey-based outfit that offers doors-off chopper tours of New York City, is running online advertisements that show masked passengers sitting inches away from one another on the helicopters.
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...iwy-story.html
A helicopter sightseeing company that lost five passengers in a 2018 East River crash is setting aside social distancing rules as it offers big discounts to lure customers in the coronavirus pandemic.
FlyNYON, a New Jersey-based outfit that offers doors-off chopper tours of New York City, is running online advertisements that show masked passengers sitting inches away from one another on the helicopters.
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...iwy-story.html
Ignoring the nonsense above, save that for a fox news chat board.
Airlines don't need to comply, they do this on the basis of good air filtration and regular cycling of air. Personal protection and good hygiene practices are the best you can do.
Distancing can't be done in some environments, all you can do is take precations and accept the risk. After all, if you can go to the shops regularly then a helicopter flight isn't changing the risk profile that much.
Airlines don't need to comply, they do this on the basis of good air filtration and regular cycling of air. Personal protection and good hygiene practices are the best you can do.
Distancing can't be done in some environments, all you can do is take precations and accept the risk. After all, if you can go to the shops regularly then a helicopter flight isn't changing the risk profile that much.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
aa777888 is dead wrong about Sweden - they are now suffering massively and have the highest death rate of the Nordic states.
Isaac Asimov was a thinker, unlike the masses ignoring social distancing to riot in US cities - guess where the next Covid hotspots will be!
He was a brilliant man who you can't just dismiss just because he was a science fiction writer. How often has science fiction become science fact because intelligent people thought outside the box?
Isaac Asimov was a thinker, unlike the masses ignoring social distancing to riot in US cities - guess where the next Covid hotspots will be!
He was a brilliant man who you can't just dismiss just because he was a science fiction writer. How often has science fiction become science fact because intelligent people thought outside the box?
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the draconian measures taken in the US, and realize that unless they are over 60 years of age and/or have some sort of significant comorbidity, they are as safe as they are with the flu.
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I’d really like to get it soon so I can get over it and move on.... it is getting blown out of all proportion. People dying from influenza still massively outweigh those killed by corona, a significant number of those infected display few of any symptoms and recover very quickly.
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Youre spot on. Sweden have adopted a very open/free/lazy approach.
The main reasons given;
”Harder restrictions dont work”
”This is the professional epidemic experts setting the limits, in other countries the politicians do political panic actions”
Now when borders are opening, swedes is not welcome.
The swedish politicians now claims ”We have to be solidarity, you have to let us in also”.
Most other countries have had a much lower spread, and most important: they have hade the number go very low.
Sweden have not, in fact we have quickly increasing numbers in some regions.
Please dont let us in your contries!
Almost forgot: Swedish airforce is flying covid patients with Blackhawk and NH90.
The main reasons given;
”Harder restrictions dont work”
”This is the professional epidemic experts setting the limits, in other countries the politicians do political panic actions”
Now when borders are opening, swedes is not welcome.
The swedish politicians now claims ”We have to be solidarity, you have to let us in also”.
Most other countries have had a much lower spread, and most important: they have hade the number go very low.
Sweden have not, in fact we have quickly increasing numbers in some regions.
Please dont let us in your contries!
Almost forgot: Swedish airforce is flying covid patients with Blackhawk and NH90.
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Trouble is, 70% of Americans are overweight or obese and over 100 million have either type 2 diabetes or prediabetes which usually turns into diabetes proper in less than 5 years. And 13 % of the US population is black (about 38 milliion). So a significant number are already at higher risk before you even consider age or other medical conditions or don't you care about them because you'll just get a cough and a sneeze and be over it?
Nomorehelos - it's not my opinion, it's from the US CDC stats on US health - sadly we are not that far behind I fear.
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WHO thinks that Sweden is the role-model
https://fee.org/articles/who-officia...rest-of-world/
When looking at infection / death, I believe Seden has a far higher rate of testing than most. Certainly the view for UK is that the true infection / death rate is 2x the recorded stats, as only those actually admitted to hospital were tested in the early days. Anyone dying in a care home or in general population was not tested at that time.
You can check-out what stats each country is putting out here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ click on the country link in the table below. But remember, if that country counts "in an odd way" then the stats for that country are dubious.
https://fee.org/articles/who-officia...rest-of-world/
When looking at infection / death, I believe Seden has a far higher rate of testing than most. Certainly the view for UK is that the true infection / death rate is 2x the recorded stats, as only those actually admitted to hospital were tested in the early days. Anyone dying in a care home or in general population was not tested at that time.
You can check-out what stats each country is putting out here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ click on the country link in the table below. But remember, if that country counts "in an odd way" then the stats for that country are dubious.
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Sweden is doing it right. Thanks for that article, John.
I'd like to understand how Germany, Denmark, Norway and Finland are doing so much better than everyone else. It could be the perfect storm of genetics, behavior, restrictions, population density and age distribution. Assuming the data coming from those countries is correct, of course.
This is a much better web site than Worldometer: https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden Be sure to use the various comparison tools. It can keep one entertained for quite a while.
Sweden is doing better than Belgium, Italy, UK, France, and Spain, and not much worse than the Netherlands, Ireland, and the US. And, again, they are doing it without draconian impacts on their economy.
For those who, through luck, effort or both, are living relatively comfortable lives, it is all too easy to support a very restrictive environment. I'm still gainfully employed, thank goodness. Many helicopter pilots remain employed in the US because most helicopter related aviation is considered "essential": military, public safety, utility, inspection, agriculture, ENG, HEMS, etc. Most training op's seem to be running. Probably logging. Not sure about construction. Tours no. However, for every helicopter pilot still getting a paycheck, or for those collecting pensions, there are uncountable others who are either financially ruined or on the brink of ruin. That is going to take its own toll in lives. So while people are are happily flying around getting a paycheck, or resting on their laurels, there is a serious reality occurring. And it's getting worse. And there are unintended consequences. One wonders if the recent civil unrest in the US would be so prevalent if the unemployment rate was still 3.6% instead of above 20%. Dramatic, highly restrictive measures associated with this pandemic seem like common sense, but are probably far from it.
I'd like to understand how Germany, Denmark, Norway and Finland are doing so much better than everyone else. It could be the perfect storm of genetics, behavior, restrictions, population density and age distribution. Assuming the data coming from those countries is correct, of course.
This is a much better web site than Worldometer: https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden Be sure to use the various comparison tools. It can keep one entertained for quite a while.
Sweden is doing better than Belgium, Italy, UK, France, and Spain, and not much worse than the Netherlands, Ireland, and the US. And, again, they are doing it without draconian impacts on their economy.
For those who, through luck, effort or both, are living relatively comfortable lives, it is all too easy to support a very restrictive environment. I'm still gainfully employed, thank goodness. Many helicopter pilots remain employed in the US because most helicopter related aviation is considered "essential": military, public safety, utility, inspection, agriculture, ENG, HEMS, etc. Most training op's seem to be running. Probably logging. Not sure about construction. Tours no. However, for every helicopter pilot still getting a paycheck, or for those collecting pensions, there are uncountable others who are either financially ruined or on the brink of ruin. That is going to take its own toll in lives. So while people are are happily flying around getting a paycheck, or resting on their laurels, there is a serious reality occurring. And it's getting worse. And there are unintended consequences. One wonders if the recent civil unrest in the US would be so prevalent if the unemployment rate was still 3.6% instead of above 20%. Dramatic, highly restrictive measures associated with this pandemic seem like common sense, but are probably far from it.
Sweden has one of the highest death rates in the world and they have paid a price.
This isn't a one size fits all scenario.
Every country has a different social, economic and healthcare demographic.
Sweden has 10M people, the city of London alone has almost that many. 1/33 of the US population.
They have a great public healthcare system that looks after everyone, not just wealthy, fat, golfers with bad combovers.
It is easy to take a test-centric approach there.
They also didn't do "nothing", they just did a lot less and let the people be sensible, they could afford to do so.
For this they paid a heavy price, something those affected by don't celebrate quite as much as those who want to use them as an example of how to do it.
It is a foreign concept, but beyond city, county and state lines is the rest of the world. Everyone has suffered and have had worse measures than the US.
A nation that is used to seeing trouble happening elsewhere in sanitised minute-long "news" segments is now coming apart at the seams because it is very real.
Because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't real.
Go speak to healthcare workers. People who have lost loved ones.
No one suggests that economic loss isn't severe and that this shouldn't be minimised. It is an impossible balancing act and, yet again, hindsight will be a perfect science.
In civilised cultures, life has a value. Business does not always come first.
Without healthy people, there is no business and vice versa.
It is not an either/or situation.
The US has always been insular, but perhaps spend a little less time watching local news and reading the internet, it provides a very narrow and distorted view of the world.
It is unfortunate that the only real export from the US these days is cancerous division and misinformation.
This isn't a one size fits all scenario.
Every country has a different social, economic and healthcare demographic.
Sweden has 10M people, the city of London alone has almost that many. 1/33 of the US population.
They have a great public healthcare system that looks after everyone, not just wealthy, fat, golfers with bad combovers.
It is easy to take a test-centric approach there.
They also didn't do "nothing", they just did a lot less and let the people be sensible, they could afford to do so.
For this they paid a heavy price, something those affected by don't celebrate quite as much as those who want to use them as an example of how to do it.
It is a foreign concept, but beyond city, county and state lines is the rest of the world. Everyone has suffered and have had worse measures than the US.
A nation that is used to seeing trouble happening elsewhere in sanitised minute-long "news" segments is now coming apart at the seams because it is very real.
Because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't real.
Go speak to healthcare workers. People who have lost loved ones.
No one suggests that economic loss isn't severe and that this shouldn't be minimised. It is an impossible balancing act and, yet again, hindsight will be a perfect science.
In civilised cultures, life has a value. Business does not always come first.
Without healthy people, there is no business and vice versa.
It is not an either/or situation.
The US has always been insular, but perhaps spend a little less time watching local news and reading the internet, it provides a very narrow and distorted view of the world.
It is unfortunate that the only real export from the US these days is cancerous division and misinformation.
Sweden is doing it right. Thanks for that article, John.
And, again, they are doing it without draconian impacts on their economy.
If Covid was actually as fatal as some had predicted and the US Govt did nothing while millions died would you still be celebrating that your personal freedoms weren't infringed by the State?
Governments have a responsibility for their people but sadly I can't hold up the UK Govt as a shining example - leadership is a whole lot more than winning votes and spinning news.
Sweden has one of the highest death rates in the world and they have paid a price.
This isn't a one size fits all scenario.
Every country has a different social, economic and healthcare demographic.
Sweden has 10M people, the city of London alone has almost that many. 1/33 of the US population.
This isn't a one size fits all scenario.
Every country has a different social, economic and healthcare demographic.
Sweden has 10M people, the city of London alone has almost that many. 1/33 of the US population.
This means more people is getting covid and now there is increasing numbers of people taken into hospital for Covid care in some regions.
There was a lot of talk about heard immunity even from the authorities earlier but after some critism they say ”we never tried to go there”, but the strategy has not been clear at all so no one really knows. Yes, it has been less hard on the economy but at a cost of around 10 times the dead per capita compared to the neighbour countries. If letting several thousand people die is a acceptable cost for a less hit on the economy, then yes Sweden is doing right.
I believe that during the first months it was possible to have some kind of voluntary distancing but when ppl get tired of it, and the summer comes....
We can see that the total cases number have a steady rise in Sweden but most other countries in Europe have flattening curves of total numbers. Still, Sweden only reports confirmed tests and despite being in ten in top on most aspects, we are only at place 56 when it comes to total testa performed. The authorities have tried to thwart testing by all means, most common comment has been ”tests, for what purpose”.
New daily cases are on a rather steady level, not really decreasing. Death tolls per week isnt decreasing that fast either.
(reference to worldometer)
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