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Old 14th Feb 2020, 20:06
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
That's interesting. My experience is the opposite. I don't remember George not doing what its supposed to do. Not ever (although there might have been, once or twice). I guess all our George's must have been the ones not built on a Friday.
Glad to hear that you got a better MX package than we did. So glad I'm in a modern new build aircraft now. Schlepping 35 year old **** boxes around doesn't inspire me much anymore. The OT days were the worst for bad Georges I heard once.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Sir Korsky
..Schlepping 35 year old **** boxes around doesn't inspire me much anymore. ...
Don't tell me you wouldn't take a 212 for a drive, if you had the chance, and go and have some real George-free fun for an hour?

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Old 14th Feb 2020, 20:27
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Originally Posted by industry insider
145, normal cruise for an S-76 then.
Yeah, but something strikes me as being a bit "odd" about that photo. Apart from the obvious.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 20:29
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
Don't tell me you wouldn't take a 212 for a drive, if you had the chance, and go and have some real George-free fun for an hour?
No thanks - just cruising to the last medical. Have a great weekend my Kiwi buddy.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 00:46
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A certain small Helicopter Operator used to have some Sfena Autopilots on some of its 212's.....now that was a joke!

But then by the time those aircraft got to the end of the line....it was a good day when the cockpit doors would stay shut and the blades not come apart.

No corner cutting there.....uh uh no.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 01:15
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
Not really, the AP won't kick off, it continues to drive the other 2 axes in the normal way. But the flying will feel "sloppy" in the channel that has gone "hard over" because both series actuators will be out of the equation (with the good actuator still playing but driven all the way opposite to the failed channel).
have had many ap kick off due to handover...one of our machines was notorious for it! The old phase 2’s would hard over and stay on until pilot physically shuts off the appropriate axis.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 01:44
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the aforementioned indicator....


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Old 15th Feb 2020, 09:23
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Originally Posted by donut king
have had many ap kick off due to handover...one of our machines was notorious for it! The old phase 2’s would hard over and stay on until pilot physically shuts off the appropriate axis.
Oh, fair enough. I've never seen it happen in a C, C+ or C++, what the older rides did I can't remember.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Sir Korsky
the aforementioned indicator....
That's right. And for those not familiar with the indicator. The pointer represents the displacement of the actuator from the central position. One indicator for each linear actuator. The selector knob selects the axis you wish to monitor. So the indicator can monitor all six linear actuators (i.e. three pairs). Normal presentation is the pointer for each actuator darting about the central position, with each pointer more-or-less moving in the same direction at the same time. Abnormal indication is one pointer stopped whilst the other pointer is moving twice as far as normal, or pointers moving in opposite directions to each other, or "hard-over" one full left whilst the other full right.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 10:29
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I used to fly an S-76B that developed a strange fault. The heading bug would, at random times, kick round to a heading of 060 degrees. If coupled up, the aircraft would snap into a turn onto that heading. A bit disconcerting, especially in solid IMC under radar control.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 12:32
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ASI normal for a 76 in the cruise when you compare it to this pic:-


ASI pretty normal for 76 in the cruise. This isn’t a B model but ASI in same place as the picture posted earlier.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 12:36
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I have seen the 76 flight director fail to acquire ALT in the climb on more occasions than I can remember. I’ve also seen the whole flight director just decouple and lights go out with zero warning. No bells or whistles. Apart from that the AP/FD on the 76’s is very good in my experience.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 12:40
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Why would the engine torque not be matching?
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 13:00
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Originally Posted by helimutt
I have seen the 76 flight director fail to acquire ALT in the climb on more occasions than I can remember. I’ve also seen the whole flight director just decouple and lights go out with zero warning. No bells or whistles. Apart from that the AP/FD on the 76’s is very good in my experience.
Guess you had the haunted option too installed ! 76 was a great, dependable, solid and brilliantly executed product. Try throwing a plastic 139 around like you could a 76. Despite its flaws which were pretty much predictable and easy to live with, you could ascertain 100% faith in a well maintained ride. The king of its time.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Blaze619
Why would the engine torque not be matching?
might need some memory assistance on this one, but caption states not a B model. I can't remember a straight C or C+ that had steam and EFIS. There were even some late B's that had the full EFIS and IIDS suite. So, if it is a B, then the PT6 had the torque/temp match selector, and in this image, it may have been selected to temp match. It was pretty much useless for sea level drivers and didn't offer any gain under normal ops. Always left it Torque match.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Sir Korsky
..I can't remember a straight C or C+ that had steam and EFIS...
They are out there. All but one of the SkyShuttle C+'s had the hybrid steam/EFIS.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 14:54
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
They are out there. All but one of the SkyShuttle C+'s had the hybrid steam/EFIS.
the first Norsk machines as well.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 14:57
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Originally Posted by helimutt
..This isn’t a B model but ASI in same place as the picture posted earlier.
I'm curious what S76 variant that engine torque indicator is from.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 16:10
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First report is now out
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On January 26, 2020, about 0945 PST, a Sikorsky S76B helicopter, N72EX, crashed into hilly terrain near Calabasas, California. A post impact fire ensued and resulted in a brush fire. The eight passengers and one pilot onboard were fatally injured and the helicopter was destroyed. The helicopter was operated by Island Express Helicopters. Weather at Van Nuys airport, about 14 miles northeast of the site was reported as 1,100 feet overcast with 2 ½ miles visibility. The flight was operated under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 135 under visual flight rules from John Wayne Airport (KSNA), Santa Ana, California, to Camarillo Airport (KCMA), Camarillo, California. An Investigative Webpage is located at https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...CA20MA059.aspx.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 19:17
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Originally Posted by helimutt
...It was an A with the later gearbox, 2S1 engines....
Really? 2S1 engines have DECU's, I wouldn't have thought you could have any trim control of the engines normally (in automatic mode).
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