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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 17:02
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Over 400 orders now...
Is there one flying yet?
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 17:07
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Oh, so it will all be OK by Christmas.....................
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 10:15
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Very interesting project....

In the cockpit they seem to be going for ALT on the left and speed on the right while most of the glass cockpit out there (including airplanes) have it the opposite way. I wonder why they went that route?
At lot of power on paper but from the picture my perception is a very small fenestron, hopefully powerful enough. We will see

Good luck to them it seems to be very impressive product on paper
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 10:54
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an ambitious project for sure, but they do have a truckload of money.
lots of other people's money it would seem
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lots of other people's money it would seem
Indeed, and an awful lot of it from significant, non-refundable deposits on, now, over 500 aircraft.

They have a strong, well funded team and a leader who knows how to make things happen.
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 08:48
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They have a strong, well funded team and a leader who knows how to make things happen.
They'll need that when they have to manage customers expectations downwards
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 18:40
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They'll probably charge and arm and a leg for spares - those windscreens won't come cheap....
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 06:40
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They'll probably charge and arm and a leg for spares - those windscreens won't come cheap....
Are other manufacturers in this market sector known for the availability of reasonably priced spares?
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 08:34
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Are other manufacturers in this market sector known for the availability of reasonably priced spares?
No but they are not promising ground breaking performance at budget prices.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 12:58
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Unfortunate I did not see them at Heli-Expo in Dallas, last month. That would have been a great venue to showcase all the progress they are making. They could possibly have given some tips on rapid prototyping and production to both airframe and engine OEMs, or at least on how to make the best computer aided graphics in the business!

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They'll need that when they have to manage customers expectations downwards
Whilst I can appreciate a healthy scepticism in the world of brand new aircraft development, you are writing as though you have some knowledge of the Hill operation, more than just an observer. You seem to know something that others don't. Can you illuminate us on what that is?
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 13:29
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No, just a bigger dose of scepticism than others I guess - the promises of people who need your money to make their dreams come true always ring alarm bells with me.

The old adage of 'If it looks to good to be true, it usually is' - is easily applied to a company making a brand new helicopter and engine from the ground up that will beat all the existing offerings from companies who have huge R and D budgets and promises a revolution in light helicopter ownership.

Dry weight of 850Kg and 800Kg of payload, minimum cruise of 140Kts, MAUM OGE hover at 10,000' with a 500'/min vertical climb rate? If that doesn't all sound far too good to be true then I've got some ideas you might want to invest in......
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 13:44
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Well, only a fool would spend his own money on such a venture. Dr Hill is no fool.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 14:01
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Well, only a fool would spend his own money on such a venture. Dr Hill is no fool.
Have you heard of Theranos?
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Have you heard of Theranos?
Now I have to clean the keyboard of coffee...............
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My biggest concern / point of skepticism is that they are developing their own engine. I don't even see the point of doing that, but then I know nothing about engines. But that's a huge risk. It sounds like they don't even have a working engine yet, yet they have ambitious goals about creating a flying prototype soon? And there's no way they'll meet their price target, but if the experimental version costs no more than a Bell 505 and it actually works as well as they hope, then it should sell. Of course sales would be limited to the private market, at least in countries that prohibit commercial operations in experimentals.
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Now I have to clean the keyboard of coffee...............
Pack it in rice and it will be good as new.
If Newton were around today, his laws would define the most powerful force of all - FOMO.
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Old 7th Apr 2022, 10:47
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i think the price of HX50 is about 500,000, which is less than half the price of a new Bell 505?
Comparing vapourware to a product that actually exists and is fully certified for commercial ops, seems like a pointless exercise.
When (if?) it actually exists, has proven specs and a final price tag, comparisons can be drawn.
Until then, it is all just intellectual masturbation.
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Old 7th Apr 2022, 13:22
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HX50 after managing downwards customer expectations

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Old 7th Apr 2022, 17:46
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Originally Posted by johni View Post
I guess the market for the HX50 is the private owner who doesn't fly much. Hence the R66 makes no sense as it costs 700,000 and you have to pay a lot (270,000 ?) for a rebuild after 12 years.

Whereas the HX50 is 500,000 and has no "rebuild clock ticking" as soon as you buy it.

Other options are Hughes 500 (expensive, cramped), Bell 206 (expensive, old), EC120 (expensive, unpowered), AS350 (v expensive)

....which is probably why Hill has so many orders! (that, and the 4 axis AP and glass cockpit)
Yeah but if you placed a deposit for 100k for an HX50 and don't get a helicopter, that's not quite so good.

I think we all get that the HX50 proposition represents a remarkable deal. It's my view that it's way TOO remarkable. As soon as the first customer machine flies, I'll eat my words and tip my hat to the Hill team. Until then, it's just blah blah.
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