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Old 31st Aug 2019, 16:31
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Helicopter crash in Norway today

Looks like this company lost a chopper just now.
https://helitrans.no/
Reports says 6 souls on board, no details yet.
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4 people confirmed killed.
The accident happened near the Arctic town of Alta.
Still no further details, but the weather seemed clear (from news clips in Norwegian media)
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Airbus 360 Helicopter according to this paper: https://www.altaposten.no/nyheter/20...a-19826759.ece

Article in Norwegian with a few pictures from the scene.
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AS350 LN-OFU. Just speculating: jack stall / servo transparency ?
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Originally Posted by jymil
AS350 LN-OFU. Just speculating: jack stall / servo transparency ?
Eye witness saw it flying very low, then into the hill, but of course it could have been higher with a mechanical forcing it down rather than a CFIT. Good VFR, several witnesses and 2 survivors.
Sad.
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There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.
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Originally Posted by SASless
There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.
Well, he was speculating, perhaps hasty, but not concluding a cause.
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TD.....you better pull. out your Webster's and read up on the definition of "speculation".
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Ok, will look up speculation.

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TD.....you better pull. out your Webster's and read up on the definition of "speculation".
Oops.
Sorry about that: I did pull out the online dictionary, and you are correct Sir.
(Speaking too many languages and you get mixed up, especially as you get older.)
Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.
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Originally Posted by SASless
There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.
Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.

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Could we perhaps be a little more respectful, hours after the accident?
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Originally Posted by jymil
Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.
Why would that be unlikely? How many times have machines gone down just after a service or overhaul due to an engineering mistake or component manufacturing issue? Not saying it is mechanical, just saying the age of helicopter surely no cast iron guarantee.
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Originally Posted by jymil
Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.
in my experience, it's the new ones that have the teething problems...

Godspeed to them all
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Originally Posted by helicrazi
in my experience, it's the new ones that have the teething problems...

Godspeed to them all
For a new model perhaps.... this was not.

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Six now confirmed dead, Swedish pilot and five locals in their early twenties. Helicopter was performing sightseeing trips for festival participants.
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Can someone describe Jack Stall / Servo Transperancy as mentioned above. What exactly is it?
I'm guessing the servos lock up, and it can't be overridden.
Do the accumulators help on the AS350?
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This topic has been discussed in detail a couple of times here at Rotorheads.


https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/pr...ack-stall.html

Jackstall: What is it? Any experiences?

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The Norwegians must offer quite the scenic tour experience if they are able to end up in jackstall.
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Happens more than you think.
I had a pilot at the end of tree-planting season, giving all the tree-planters a ride of their life, high G turns, negative G pushovers, steep banks, nap of the earth stuff....funny thing when he was in view of camp, he flew like a fricken angel. Cant let the wrench see what he was doing you know.
guess he didn't realize sound travels and i could hear every twist, turn and bank from miles away.

bottom line, many pilots fall prey to giving the passengers a ride to remember...if they survive.
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Mechanics (Engineers for those who prefer that title) have done in many a Pilot and Passengers too....so what is your point re this particular tragedy?

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