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AW139 Crash in Bahamas - 7 Killed

Old 6th Jul 2019, 01:45
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 02:13
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I donít know about helicopters, but are the landing gear supposed to be down after takeoff?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 02:58
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Originally Posted by FIRESYSOK View Post
I donít know about helicopters, but are the landing gear supposed to be down after takeoff?
Normally raised at 80 Kts (VY) & 200í in the 139 on takeoff and selected down in the before landing cx list.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 03:13
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All the bells and whistles and 2 pilots and it looks like they hit at very high speed and at a very steep angle. Very very sad.

What was that aircraft equpped with that will help out investigators.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 03:14
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A telling photo would be of the back-end, see if the tail rotor is still in place. Nothing much to conclude from the wheels being down, reports suggest it was found in the water not far from departure point. No floats installed in this one, right? I don't see the MGB or any MR hub/blades, I doubt it separated in-flight as the hull damage is too minimal.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:33
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My sincere condolence to Debbie. RIP Geoff.

Back to photos seems part of the MR mast is still in place, the whole MR head and blades gone.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:35
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
A telling photo would be of the back-end, see if the tail rotor is still in place. Nothing much to conclude from the wheels being down, reports suggest it was found in the water not far from departure point. No floats installed in this one, right? I don't see the MGB or any MR hub/blades, I doubt it separated in-flight as the hull damage is too minimal.
Why would the TR not be in place?

It left London Air with floats and the photo above on the ramp after getting N registered shows floats, so unless they were recently removed they should still be on there.

It looks to me like it is resting on the MR Head, with MGB in place and I can see the #2 engine as well. FDR will tell the story.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:42
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If it's thrown a TR blade it would end up in the water...it's happened before.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:36
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
If it's thrown a TR blade it would end up in the water...it's happened before.
It had the newer, Ď3 bandí TR blades. Not the older, Ď2 bandí blades.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 07:57
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 08:06
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Well the tail rotor is obviously not there, neither is the tail boom. With all the damage upstairs I wonder if it's gone in upside down? Inverted, submerged, at night: that's a tough scenario to escape from.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:47
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If earlier comments prove to be correct, 2.00AM flight, transponder off, no flight logged etc Will this become yet another example of pilot/pilots being pressured to take a flight by the big boss that really shouldnít have been taken?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 13:09
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But regardless of rules surely a night flight across water with no objects to bump into should be safe in s 139 ??? I donít think having transponder on would have made a difference...
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 14:02
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Were both pilots IFR rated? Either pilot ex military?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 14:25
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Originally Posted by nigelh View Post
But regardless of rules surely a night flight across water with no objects to bump into should be safe in s 139 ??? I donít think having transponder on would have made a difference...
Sadly, night flights over water, especially on an exceptionally dark starless night is the deepest IFR you'll ever fly. No visual reference and very dangerous on the initial transition from over land to over water. Extremely challenging for even very experienced pilots. Must stay current IFR, also night and over water night conditions.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:14
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2am - right at the bottom of the circadian low - perhaps an urgency to the flight if the report of an illness is correct, 2 pilots with perhaps no exposure to EMS/SAR decision making/risk assessment procedures and a fatal crash very soon after take-off.

It is too easy to join the dots but unless a mechanical failure can be proven, this could turn out to be another very avoidable accident.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:16
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Canít believe a billionaire would not have IFR pilots on his 139 .....
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:21
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Can't believe a billionaire would take the floats off his helicopter (if that is what happened).
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:24
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For all of that structural damage....it was not a soft impact.

Question for the 139 drivers.....How are the floats actuated on the 139?

Any Saltwater switches or Float Valve Switches that will trigger the floats automatically....if the system is armed?

Are there indications in the photos that give a clue as to whether the floats inflated or not?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by KiwiNedNZ View Post
Tottigol - My info is accurate - have known Geoff for a long time. Was chatting with him only a couple of days ago. He is the primary pilot for Chris on the 139. I am pretty sure its a 2 person crew and have no idea who the other crew was.
Dave Jude was the primary pilot and aviation dept manager, Geoff and a few others were contract pilots. Aircraft was usually flown single pilot day VFR by Dave.
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