AW 139 Hard Landing in Spain.
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But if you run out of fuel you run out of fuel and all goes quiet whether you be over congested hostile, open green (as in this instance) or even the icy waters of the Antarctic. There are many issues being described by the quoted crewmember, crm even when single pilot could have saved the day perhaps with the right training. But as per Almeria 139 fatal ditching a few years ago SASEMAR and Spanish operators in general aren’t big on CRM or even standards for that matter.
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I do not know if this is the same Aircraft but the last entry for G-CIJX on Flightradar looks a bit suspicious. 11:31 UTC at an altitude of 6450ft with 150kts ground speed an then it all stops.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-cijx#20dd2132
And a day later G-CIJW was ferried to the resuce, straight from Verigate to Alicante via St.Tropez.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-cijw#20e1b8ca
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-cijx#20dd2132
And a day later G-CIJW was ferried to the resuce, straight from Verigate to Alicante via St.Tropez.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-cijw#20e1b8ca
SASEMAR and Spanish operators in general aren’t big on CRM or even standards for that matter.
Still, they are cheap, which seems to be the key metric for customers these days.
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Regardless of what caused both engines to go I would be happy with that outcome if it were me. An auto to walk away from and the aircraft not a complete waste is a tick in the box for me.
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plus there’s a world of difference in judging appropriate flare heights etc doing 80 kts and a partially obstructed view ahead, compared to a hanglider at what? 15 kts and unobstructed view.
Pulling on enough speed on a kingpostless hanglider, to flare up a moderate slope is about 30 kts. Stalling speed is 15 kts.
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Maybe. Maybe not. If you don't screw up the initial transition into auto-rotation, and get a stable descent happening, and you have a big flat open area to aim for, you should be able to put it on the ground without a scratch. Call the fuel truck to top you up, maybe send another pilot and continue on.
Watching the video....and seeing all of the nice pretty flat clear areas the hang glider pilot forsake for where he did wind up....I would suggest he could have done a much easier job of getting his aircraft down than he did. Just saying!
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Yeap. That nice flat open area you spotted when you enter auto tends to look a bit different about the stage you start to flare.
Ah, but landing on the nice flat fields leaves you at the bottom of the hill, so you have to pack the glider away and load it onto a car to drive it back to the take off, where it has to be rigged again; a turnaround of 90 minutes. If you land on the slope, you can carry the glider fully rigged (a mere 105 lbs, with the harness) 200' back up to the top of the hill in just 15 minutes and be ready to take off into the next thermal. It also gives you a good workout.
+2 on that comment. Slope is pretty hard to pick from 6000ft. Autos to the ground in twins are not something most civilian pilots get practice at. The Sim is great but it's not the real world. I tip my hat to the Pilot for the auto at least. Walked away with aircraft partially damaged. Babcock should be able to afford the insurance bill with all the savings they are making with wages.