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Helicopter collision with light aircraft NW Italy Jan 2019

Old 25th Jan 2019, 17:11
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 17:39
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Italian press reporting that the fixed-wing was a sightseeing flight with 5 foreign tourists.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 17:47
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Being reported by the BBC; doesn't look good: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47004710
At least five people have died after a helicopter and a light aircraft collided on the border between France and Italy, authorities have said.Rescuers have recovered two injured from the crash site, Italy's mountain rescue service (CNSAS) tweeted.

The crash happened over the Rutor glacier near La Thuile in the Aosta valley

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Old 25th Jan 2019, 18:01
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I used to go skiing on standby when I worked for AirVallee.
A great region.
Lots of gliders and some helicopters to keep in mind when operating the Dornier 328 jet in and out of the field.
Pure VFR. Easy enough for us as we generally landed straight in from the south east and took off opposite out the wally climbing in the middle to avoid gliders.

Tragic accident.
Tough to operate in the mountains, never mind looking out for traffic.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 19:08
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More here including short video of crash site quoted to be an AS350

https://www.thelocal.it/20190125/pla...ley-italy-alps



Five people were killed and two injured when a helicopter collided with a light aircraft in the Alps in northern Italy, mountain rescue officials said.Italy's mountain rescue service reported "a crash between a helicopter and a light aircraft" on Friday afternoon above the Rutor glacier in the Aosta Valley near France, and sent two helicopters to help.

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Old 25th Jan 2019, 20:12
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Accordig to the italian safety agency (ANSV) the helicopter was an AS350 while the plane was a Jodel D.140.E
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 20:54
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I think VFR flight should be better regulated, especially within a FIR.
It’s quite lucky some mid air collisions are still quite rare
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 22:01
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Italian press reporting that the fixed-wing was a sightseeing flight with 5 foreign tourists.
Can you put 5 in a Jodel?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 22:20
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FLARM ?

This kind of mid-air shouldnt happpen.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Raffles S.A. View Post
Can you put 5 in a Jodel?
According to a report in the Rotorheads forum, it was a Jodel D.140.E. So yes, it's a five-seater.

Very sad incident indeed.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 00:46
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Originally Posted by Raffles S.A. View Post
Can you put 5 in a Jodel?
Depends on the Jodel but a D.140 certainly you can. Oops, duplicating Carbon Bootprint.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 05:46
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It’s not. It’s a ski-equipped Jodel D140 Mouquetaire from Megève used for training experienced pilots for the Mountain Rating. I flew one of its sister aircraft to the Rutor glacier a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 05:51
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There were 3 on board, 2 of whom are missing. The maximum number of occupants we take when traing is 4 but at the Glacier de Ruitor where we take-off at around 10,500’ 3 adults is plenty.
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The aircraft involved was a a Jodel D140 F-PMGV on a mountain rating training flight out of the altiport at Megève. I’ve flown it many times and landed on the Rutor glacier (Ruitor in French) just a couple of weeks ago. There are often helicopters sharing the same airspace and there’s never been an issue - in the Alps we coordinate using position reports on the mountain frequency of 130.00 and over the border in Italy we use the chopper frequency. Italian media are reporting the the instructor survived but that the two others on board are still missing. SAR mission resumes at 8 am CET.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 08:08
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Originally Posted by I-WEBA View Post
I think VFR flight should be better regulated, especially within a FIR.
It’s quite lucky some mid air collisions are still quite rare
You obviously do not fly VFR.
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
FLARM ?

This kind of mid-air shouldnt happpen.

Or the professional version. Make XPDR + ADS-B mandatory. Its high time for that. We do have paragliders jumping off a rock right at 10nm finals (LOC-DME / RNAV approach) and these dudes seem to look for death. Had a few near misses with em over the years and contrary what one would think they are hard to see at times... handheld XDR with ADSB for them.
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Latest update on ASN indicates the 5 fatalities were in the helicopter and the Jodel had 3 on board, an instructor and 2 students.

ASN now showing 7 fatalities and 2 survivors. 6 were in the AS350 and 3 in the Jodel.

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Originally Posted by I-WEBA View Post
I think VFR flight should be better regulated, especially within a FIR.

Sure.
And outside FIRs, ie: above open sea, the regulation is just fine.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 16:59
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News are now reporting a total of 7 dead persons (1 Italian pilot, 4 Germans in the helicopter / 1 French and 1 Belgian in the fixed-wing). One Passenger in the helicopter and one crew member in the fixed-wing survived.
According to the Italian press, the helicopter was on a heli-skiing mission, the crew of the plane consisted of a flight instructor and two student pilots.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 17:40
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Article on 'The Times' website:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...cier-wv3g3727d
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