Helicopter collision with light aircraft NW Italy Jan 2019
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On this site it says helicopter was taking off and unaware the airplane was landing.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/7-ki...-italy-1983742
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/7-ki...-italy-1983742
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On this site it says helicopter was taking off and unaware the airplane was landing.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/7-ki...-italy-1983742
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/7-ki...-italy-1983742
The cost-effective solution to mitigate ( but not eliminate @ 100%) those is called FLARM . already self-mandated for all gliders in the Alps, all helicopters in Switzerland ,and starting to come on line with all powered VFR..
At the moment not accepted by EASA because the frequency they used in not protected, but I think a solution will be found especially if we see more of those preventable fatal accidents continuing to happen. .
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FLARM seems to be a reasonable solution to help prevent these sorts of events. If this Wicklepedia article is to be believed, "most" helicopters in Europe already operate with it. Did not the FW?
I seem to recall from some posts here that many gliders in the EU are using it, mostly because of low power consumption since sailplanes rely on battery power.
I seem to recall from some posts here that many gliders in the EU are using it, mostly because of low power consumption since sailplanes rely on battery power.
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could nor find the reference you mention on this link but if this is the case is is a carbon copy of previous accident in Austria a few years back with a rescue helicopter. If you take off on an heli from unmarked areas the visibility on top and back is NIL and an aircraft flying low AGL , taking off or landing close by has no visibility below . .
The cost-effective solution to mitigate ( but not eliminate @ 100%) those is called FLARM . already self-mandated for all gliders in the Alps, all helicopters in Switzerland ,and starting to come on line with all powered VFR..
At the moment not accepted by EASA because the frequency they used in not protected, but I think a solution will be found especially if we see more of those preventable fatal accidents continuing to happen. .
The cost-effective solution to mitigate ( but not eliminate @ 100%) those is called FLARM . already self-mandated for all gliders in the Alps, all helicopters in Switzerland ,and starting to come on line with all powered VFR..
At the moment not accepted by EASA because the frequency they used in not protected, but I think a solution will be found especially if we see more of those preventable fatal accidents continuing to happen. .
This doesn't need FLARM, standardise procedures and provide a frequency so you broadcast your intentions. Works well elsewhere in the world especially for unmanned areas that have a lot of traffic converging.
The eyeball has it's limitations and until you can use all the tools at your disposal these accidents will continue to happen.
The eyeball has it's limitations and until you can use all the tools at your disposal these accidents will continue to happen.
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This doesn't need FLARM, standardise procedures and provide a frequency so you broadcast your intentions. Works well elsewhere in the world especially for unmanned areas that have a lot of traffic converging.
The eyeball has it's limitations and until you can use all the tools at your disposal these accidents will continue to happen.
The eyeball has it's limitations and until you can use all the tools at your disposal these accidents will continue to happen.
For info the situation in this valley on the border between 2 states is very similar to the Niagara falls , (e.g : procedures to keep helis below sightseeing airplanes , everybody turning same same side, etc, and a frequency etc..)
Another sad incident, one of to many between fixwing and rotorcraft, for my taste...
Regarding the "acceptance" you may like to see this video:
Sourced from:
Sourced from:
EASA Annual Safety Conference 2018
A vision for the future of General Aviation, Austria
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9Aplus, thanks for the video, looked briefly throught it, lots of powerpoints, no real time to watch during 1h40, could you give us any indication when in particular we should watch/listen ?
@ATC...
Conclusion of that conference in short is, that EASA is ready to accept and support any technology which
may improve safety. That also mean sort of relaxation of regulation covering GA Part 21 gain of STC and ADOA
(Alternative Procedures to Design Organization Approval)
Above presentation is clear example of that approach and not the only one....
Conclusion of that conference in short is, that EASA is ready to accept and support any technology which
may improve safety. That also mean sort of relaxation of regulation covering GA Part 21 gain of STC and ADOA
(Alternative Procedures to Design Organization Approval)
Above presentation is clear example of that approach and not the only one....
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@9Aplus ; thank you , I hope finally common sense will prevail . I know first the resistance of EASA and some EU States regulators in general about FLARM because a) it was not invented and made here ( Swiss ) and b) the frequency it uses is not protected . Both are easy to solve if the will was there. There is a huge safety benefit for VFR , as well as preventing collision against obstacles/ cables in valleys . Everyone flying recognizes this, even the non GA . ( the ex- Breitling Constellation is equipped with FLARM for instance )
That said I do not work for FLARM , and I have no interest in this company. But the technology is there and working.
A word for them in case they are listen here : Bring back the basic unit and lower the price !
That said I do not work for FLARM , and I have no interest in this company. But the technology is there and working.
A word for them in case they are listen here : Bring back the basic unit and lower the price !
I hope finally common sense will prevail . I know first the resistance of EASA and some EU States regulators in general about FLARM because a) it was not invented and made here ( Swiss ) and b) the frequency it uses is not protected . Both are easy to solve if the will was there.
Back to real world :
EASA is studiyng FLARM with interest since at least 2006 and you know what happened in 2015 ? :
PowerFLARM MCA approved by EASA | FLARM Technology
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Heli henri, EASA approved its installation , meaning it is not prohibited to install it on EASA certified small aircraft and gliders , but it is not unfortunately a recognized certified system yet .
But the ball is moving and there is hope at the horizon . see for example the draft proposal for amendment due next week ( how timely !)
you can see the draft here : EASA proposed
But the ball is moving and there is hope at the horizon . see for example the draft proposal for amendment due next week ( how timely !)
you can see the draft here : EASA proposed
There has been a video released showing the actual collision of this terrible accident, not sure if it has been posted previously, I currently can’t add the link but it is widely available.
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Italian police have released GoPro video recovered from the wreckage.
www(dot)abc(dot)net(dot)au/news/2019-07-11/gopro-footage-shows-mid-air-crash-between-helicopter-and-plane/11298376
(I can't post a proper link as I don't have 10 posts yet
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www(dot)abc(dot)net(dot)au/news/2019-07-11/gopro-footage-shows-mid-air-crash-between-helicopter-and-plane/11298376
(I can't post a proper link as I don't have 10 posts yet
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Last edited by Porjo; 13th Jul 2019 at 00:12. Reason: explain link
