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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:01
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Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post

Just to add, heard the Newquay S92 go out early this morning to rescue 6 fishermen from a boat off Lands End in 6M waves and very strong winds.

Great job guys

Would be interested to see what a cadet would make of that job watching the winchman trying to get aboard and thinking 'Oooer, that could be me next time'
How is a cadet background any different to any other TC background when faced with a big deck for the first time?

You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Para1234 View Post
Not heard of anyone hearing either. Heard should hear by tomorrow if succesfull
That's a lot of hearing......
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 06:49
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How is a cadet background any different to any other TC background when faced with a big deck for the first time?

You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't.
Yes and the current TC were (mainly) trained in the military with hours to burn for all that preparation for the nasty jobs.

Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression?

I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 20:35
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As an example, the winchman on the highlighted Newquay job was a Bristow trained TC who joined not too long back. He performed as we would expect. No one is going to let the new joiners go it alone unless they meet that required standard.

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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 10:20
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Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull

I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage.

There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted.

Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 12:28
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Originally Posted by cig32 View Post



I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage.

There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted.

Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around.
Congratulations. Not heard anything so assume unsuccessful this time.

Could I ask what your background is if you donít mind so Iíve got an idea what I can work on for another time?

thanks
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by steve_para View Post


Congratulations. Not heard anything so assume unsuccessful this time.

Could I ask what your background is if you donít mind so Iíve got an idea what I can work on for another time?

thanks

Ask Bristow for feedback. They should be able to tell you areas you can work on. Good luck.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 15:33
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They had over 500 apply, not sure they would give feedback? But I agree would be useful to find out what they after
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Yes and the current TC were (mainly) trained in the military with hours to burn for all that preparation for the nasty jobs.

Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression?

I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener.
I still donít get your point Crab? As hot LZ has pointed out the winchman on the job you picked as an example of a tough Deck was not an ex military trained TC. Maybe your friend should try being a glass half full guy instead of half empty, ;-)?

I am sure the Bristow guys and girls know the rules and regs they have to work within and will fund training accordingly and to a level that they consider sufficient and safe. It is a continuing reality that UK SAR TC was and still is completely without national regulation. As long as that situation continues any SAR operator that holds the contract can train what they want, how they want, so itís the regulator that holds the cards for which direction SAR TC training will ultimately take IMHO. Either the CAA want oversight or they donít? In the mean time the general public, though they donít know it, will have to simply rely on Bristow to set and maintain a high standard because nothing forces them by law to train to a measured standard. However, that situation is no different to how the MOD did things. They kept a high standard through experience and pride not because it was regulated. It is difficult to imagine any contractor that holds this contract now or in the future not wanting to run a safe and efficient operation; not only is it good business sense but itís reported almost daily the pride and professionalism that still exists in SAR in the UK. I agree it would be much better if we didnít have to rely on good will and pride....

It will be interesting to see how the Cadetship turns out but one thing is sure, the MOD was and still is broke. Much they did in SAR was groundbreaking and to be celebrated, but much was not and itís easy to remember the excessive shifts and long working hours with rose tinted glasses blaming everything on ďfactors beyond their controlĒ. Lack of manning is down to lack of resource and that was and is influenced and controlled by management at all levels of the MOD. The bottomless pit you are so fond of did not exist. I agree there was a seemingly bottomless pit of military Ďcan doí but sometimes thatís one of the factors that leads to being taken advantage of for years if not decades. In my time the pay back for good will was the military covenant, very sadly now, and for many years, thatís simply been a running joke.

And..... back to sleep
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 12:58
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I still don’t get your point Crab? As hot LZ has pointed out the winchman on the job you picked as an example of a tough Deck was not an ex military trained TC.
Yes, - and my point is that he was trained well, military or not, and I suspect not under the present contract.

The present contract has a certain number of training hours which are for existing crews to retain skills and currency, not for training up new people from scratch - I believe the MCA have already asked questions over the use of the training hours they pay for being used incorrectly.

So we come back to the question of how many hours training will be dedicated to the cadets? I thought Bristow were supposed to have set up a SAR training 'academy' but they have been so busy converting to 139 and then to 189, I don't see much evidence of it.

The idea of training new SAR TC is great but it needs money thrown at it to do it properly - ie with the high internal standards you mentioned in Bristow SAR and the Mil - not a search for the cheapest route to fill a seat to meet the contract.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 02:09
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If the particular winchman concerned is the one I think it was, then his background is very atypical and he has an extremely varied background in civ and mil SAR flying before joining UK SAR - certainly not just a run of the mill paramedic turned Sarboy - and as Crab says, was trained outside the UK SAR contract. A unique individual from a unique background and a completely different ball game to the current Cadetship training programme, so it's unreasonable to tout this fella as a demonstration of potential success in the non ex-mil TC world. However, speaking as someone with just a little bit of experience in these matters - I think what matters is 3 things - 1 = selecting the right person with 2 = the right aptitude to put through 3 = the right training programme. After all, that's al we ever did in the military........right person right aptitude, proper training programme. As there are so many other 'experts' out there, I'll leave it to you lot to decide if the current Cadetship programme will deliver in all 3 areas. I have my opinion, and I'll be happy to share it over a beer sometime..........
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 14:40
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So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 14:51
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So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?
There are still quite a few years left to run on the contract and they will have a continuing need for recruitment - probably small numbers though. Looking at the training pathway for these new guys, I suspect there will be some fine tuning (always is when doing something for the first time) of the selection and training process, but there will be future recruitment, Iím sure.
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