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Old 1st Jul 2018, 10:06
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Red face AS 350: "Hold my beer son and watch this!"

"So Dave, can you show me how one would ever get into this servo transparency thing?"
"Sure, hold my beer son and watch this!"


Hmkaaay... I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Chuck Aaron behind the stick...
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Nice One!!!!!!
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Does that fall into the "acrobat manoeuvres" category? I'd like to see VF pass judgement on that one.
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"acrobat manoeuvres"
'Aerobatic', please.
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
'Aerobatic', please.
Well, yeah, but it is a Frenchy flying thing, and they have flying acrobats in France.
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Standard wingover arrival for a pickup
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well you have to have some fun now and then !
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye0001
Hmkaaay... I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Chuck Aaron behind the stick...
No, probably Tom Cruise
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I believe the Bell 407 that looped and rolled in South Africa was grounded indefinitely after the stunt because it was outside the RFM permitted envelope and therefore it could not be guaranteed that any future component failure were not due in part to the manoeuvres. I wonder where other manufacturers sit on this when things go upside-down’y.

I know know you can fly the manoeuvre positive G at all times etc but still curious.
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No, probably Tom Cruise
Not him for sure!
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I am expecting a qualified pilot to be slightly better than that ito his IQ.... Did he not even think about things going viral faster than the speed of light? You can argue as much as you wish about the physics around the manoeuvre but Airbus helicopters, even from the olden days was very specific about aerobatic manoeuvres and please don't argue that in the light of "no definition in the RFM of what they consider to be aerobatic" that that is not an aerobatic manoeuvre.
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I don’t think it was intended . You never do climbing high g turns to the right in a squirrel ... everyone knows that !!
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Old 2nd Jul 2018, 07:21
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If you are taught to fly such manoeuvres properly and with some mechanical sympathy there is less stress on the aircraft than flying in turbulence or mishandling a steep turn.

In my experience, many pilots feel they have to fly like a jet pilot (big, harsh control inputs) rather than concentrating on being smooth and progressive - especially with aft cyclic at speed.
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The poor crews that will get into this aircraft blissfully unaware of how it has been treated.
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Errr Crab .... where would you ever be taught this manoeuvre??!! It was not a wing over , or a torque turn but I think it was an inadvertent jack stall roll to the right which ended fully inverted !!
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Originally Posted by nigelh
I don’t think it was intended . You never do climbing high g turns to the right in a squirrel ... everyone knows that !!
Without looking for a keypad quarrel, honestly? I believe it was fully intentional. You have to really start worrying if "a pilot" ended in this manoeuvre unintentionally. I believe it was skilfully executed but that is the only positive comment I have on the air show. Yes a barrel roll is gentle on the "G" at the top, but then there is the exit at the bottom. I ask if this guy has any respect for the regulations/RFM? How many times has he done similar things? If we have to have two schools in this regard (for and against), then I am in the nay group. If he was flying my helicopter, it would have been his last time. If I was issuing his license, he would have lost it.

I hope I am going to be allowed to "have my own opinion" in this matter?
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Old 2nd Jul 2018, 14:04
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https://jalopnik.com/helicopters-alw...ext-1827240044
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Seems he's just flying a recce and having a good look around before landing - safety first.

BTW, did anyone notice the next squirrel video on that same site? (furry kind; not AS350 Ecureuil kind): Squirrel Flying
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Nigel - it is quite acceptable to go past 90 degree AoB on a well flown wingover - air combat manoeuvring is where you would learn this sort of stuff - or just a normal SH Squadron back in the 80s.

The wingover in the video is well controlled and looks smooth throughout which wouldn't be the case if he had reached jackstall/servo transparency.
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Any idea of the specifics? Where? When.?
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