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Old 15th Jun 2018, 16:51
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RIP Pete. You made me laugh, you drove me nuts! A great character and terrible loss.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 13:36
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RIP Pete. Our paths crossed many times over the years and careers. From joining Bond at ND’s in 87 (training in Longside with Fisher P & Trevor), to Dollar/Black Isle Helicopters to KLM at Norwich. Always great fun to be around (especially after a couple of beers).
To Peanut ��
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 21:55
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Condolences to all .... I have a question .... what do they use a helicopter for on a "fish farm" ? .... Our fish farms are enclosed and serviced by boat etc . . (ps: I know what helicopter fish spotters and Tuna spotters do on the ocean . This sounds like something else) thanks
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Arnie Madsen View Post
Condolences to all .... I have a question .... what do they use a helicopter for on a "fish farm" ? .... Our fish farms are enclosed and serviced by boat etc . . (ps: I know what helicopter fish spotters and Tuna spotters do on the ocean . This sounds like something else) thanks
Transporting fish cages seems to be one use:

Transportation of Fish Cages - Helirig - Case Studies

But I have no idea if this is what the helicopter was doing.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 11:29
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It's common to use helicopters with slung buckets to transfer smolts from freshwater to sea sites, or freshwater lochs to well boats at sea for distribution to sea sites.
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 09:28
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Funeral Arrangements

Peter's funeral is to be held on 29 June in Moray Crematorium, Broadley, by Buckie, Moray AB56 5HQ at 1330
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Old 1st Jul 2018, 19:06
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Thank you for the info; I am very sad I was unable to make it but I hear it was a great send-off for a great guy.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 12:28
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AAIB report is out.


Can't believe it's been over a year... You are well remembered Pete, sorely missed and much loved.


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Old 18th Jul 2019, 16:42
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A tragic accident which really ought not to have happened.

In my RAF time in Germany I was tasked to lift some light aluminium assault boats with a Puma, as part of an Army exercise.

I hadn't lifted this particular load before so my crewman and I dug out the relevant document, written by JATE (Joint Air Transport Establishment, then based at Brize Norton), to see if there was an officially trialled rigging scheme. The actual number of the publication escapes me, my only excuse can be that I haven't seen that document for over twenty five years (was it AP1105? LSH, CG - you can probably recall it).

There was a rigging scheme and this particular type of boat was officially classed as a "Dangerous Load", because it would fly unpredictably. It could only be flown level and ballasted, or flown as a stack of five, one boat inside the other. This stuck in my mind ever since because it was the only time I was asked to carry a boat and it was the only "Dangerous Load" I had ever come across.

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Old 18th Jul 2019, 17:14
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I have flown boats similar to this, and also aluminum water troughs which all like to "fly on their own" once you get them airborne. We always find a large branch of a tree with leaves and attach tit to the end of the boat or trough and it acts as a drogue and keeps the thing behaving.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 18:09
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As an industry we are good at repeating the same accident. Iím wondering, having done a similar job, whether us pilots are the persons best placed to decide whether an unusual load should be flown or not. The AAIB report strongly reflects the influence of CRM and threat and error analysis in this kind of operation. Our focus on getting the job done, particularly in remote places, does not serve us well. No matter how many mnemonics we create, none of them will prevent an accident like this unless they are applied thoroughly as a team. I think a live RA which has multiple team inputs that results in a threat score for a load could help decision making that isnít influenced by any emotion. If the score is anywhere near a ďno carryĒ threshold the operation should be halted. We have enough data from these types of operations to quantify the risk.

RIP Pete.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:44
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You can only make so many rules . At the end of the day itís the pilot who will decide . Even after a successful drop you are still not safe . Take my good friend Dick Meston who had dropped off his load but still ended up with the strop in his tail rotor .... almost 23 years ago . The whole thing is dangerous if you take your eye of the ball ....
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 02:16
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I have hauled lots of light aluminum boats with aircraft as large as a 205/212 using both shortline and longline.

Boats, like light airplanes (ie Super Cub), can be a very dangerous loads.

Proper rigging is essential.

Here's how I do it.

Put the motor and any fuel tanks in the rear of the boat. Then place the boat in a standard cargo net with the transom in about the center of the net. Gather up the net around the boat and run a lanyard from the rings on the four corners of the net up to the bow thence up to the cargo hook. Place a sliding shackle on the lanyard and through the docking tie-ring at the bow of the boat. Pick the load up and go, obviously quite carefully at first. The lanyard sliding through bow shackle allows the net to gather properly around the boat.

I could regularly get at least 50+ knots using this method with zero stability problems.

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