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Old 30th Jun 2018, 06:58
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The last time that VicPAW had a fixed wing element they had two twins, and were a very cost effective means of transporting coppers around the state for court appearances, prisoner transfers, relocation requirements, etc. Jump into the 21st Century with added requirements for surveillance, SOG positioning with equipment and other jobs a larger more capable aircraft could be needed.

What’s the issue with them looking at all types as per tender requirements; this is only a rumour site and you seem to be climbing up the fishing line and down the rod without any hook in the water!
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 11:27
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and have plenty of change left over to pay their drivers $180k per year. That's what AW139 guys are getting now.
Where's that pay grade then gulliBell?
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 11:57
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Originally Posted by industry insider View Post
Where's that pay grade then gulliBell?
That's what HNZ paying their offshore AW139 line driver. + super. + car.
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 14:08
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I believe WAPOL has an Airvan decked out for surveillance over the metro area (maybe just a trial for now). Flies in circles just as well as the BK or Dauphin but makes less noise and costs a dickload less to operate. Don't know why any police department would need a 139 with the SAR/EMS capabilities from the likes of Toll, Babcock, CHC or Careflight on hand. Seems like a waste of money IMO.
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 16:39
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Speaking of Toll & CHC. I heard a rumor CHC are making 20 AW139 drivers redundant. Toll picked up a contract CHC was bidding on. Just a rumor, but it didn't come from the Essendon refueller so probably not quite true.
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Old 1st Jul 2018, 02:22
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Originally Posted by John Eacott View Post
What’s the issue with them looking at all types as per tender requirements..
I don't care what they do, what aircraft they buy, or who they get to fly them. I only know one guy who works for them, and he's been there a while. I have no insight in anything they have done, do, or might do. It's always nice to get nice new toys to play with, and whatever toy shop they land in I'm sure will be perfect for their needs.
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Old 1st Jul 2018, 08:03
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
Speaking of Toll & CHC. I heard a rumor CHC are making 20 AW139 drivers redundant. Toll picked up a contract CHC was bidding on. Just a rumor, but it didn't come from the Essendon refueller so probably not quite true.
You're right, it's "not quite true". There will be some voluntary redundancies, and a few of those will no doubt be 139 pilots - no more than 5 or 6 at a guess - maybe less. No forced redundancies at this stage. Toll has not won any contracts that CHC has bid on apart from the NSW EMS contract nearly 2 years ago, or if they have it is not public knowledge and does not impact on the current redundancies.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 10:59
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Very quiet on this one... anyone heard anything?
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 04:04
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VicPol Airwing

I hear through the great powers of be, StarFlight has won VICPOL Airwing with AW139 and B200....
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 00:53
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Originally Posted by onehitwonder View Post
I hear through the great powers of be, StarFlight has won VICPOL Airwing with AW139 and B200....
Wrong... They won the Heli component. Skytraders won the fixed wing.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 02:26
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An announcement today on the future configuration of the Victoria Police Air Wing fleet:
  • three Leonardo AW139 helicopters
  • one Beechcraft Super King Air 350ER
http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news...yes-in-the-sky
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 11:19
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Originally Posted by A30_737_AEWC View Post
An announcement today on the future configuration of the Victoria Police Air Wing fleet:
  • three Leonardo AW139 helicopters
  • one Beechcraft Super King Air 350ER
www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/new-aircraft-to-enhance-police-eyes-in-the-sky
No AS 3XX to potter around the sticks?

Does one assume 3x medium would tend toward the future being a centralised unit?

I’m genuinely impressed/relieved that the regions have little need for rapid aerial response. Long may it continue.

But not at all keen on all the eggs in one basket.

I guess we just just need to cram a few more million people into the state to get the numbers up

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Old 24th Oct 2018, 02:46
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Wow, the era of those pretty Dauphins at Essendon is over from 2020.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 05:58
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Arguably the Dauphin’s era ended sometime ago!
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:10
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I doubt that VPAW will get quite the same reliability out of the 139 as they have had with the N3s.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 13:36
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Spot on Industry, especially with an operator who doesn't have an operation.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 01:59
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Complete overkill. 90% of the worlds Police forces use smaller and more agile models. Ridiculous waste of money. You could run a few MD500 / Notar equivalents to carry as many guys for a fraction of the cost. Much of their work is camera work and guiding ground forces.. do you really need a 139 for that? They are too big to land in many of the locations they need to and as noted above, they will load them up to the roof with crap and dramatically reduce the payload. Yes they do winch missions, but do they need 3 units to support this capability?

The EC135 suffered that fate early on and with so much crap on board, it has about a 1.5 hour total mission range. A $6m waste of tax payers money.

As for the KingAir. They used to run Aerostars years ago but got rid of them in favour of helicopters. They used to use them for interstate trips to transport prisoners also. History repeating itself? It will be used for training apparently amongst other things like searches... presumably training the camera operators etc, do you really need a 350 for that? Probably not. A Vulcanair might have been an economical option instead.

How about spending some of this cash on programs to assist Police with further training for dealing with mental health cases for example? If they put more effort in here, they wouldn’t need to cram 8 SOG officers with sub-machine guns into a 139 to head to the next siege and then do nothing when they arrive.

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Old 28th Oct 2018, 04:16
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How about spending some of this cash on programs to assist Police with further training for dealing with mental health cases for example? If they put more effort in here, they wouldn’t need to cram 8 SOG officers with sub-machine guns into a 139 to head to the next siege and then do nothing when they arrive.
Just a few days ago such an incident occurred locally when an unfortunate lad, not old enough to drive, barricaded himself in his room in a rural town.
The incident was resolved without arrest or harm. The initial SOG response has had locals reeling.
The boys in black appeared to arrive by road.
Good to see the Victorian Police commissioner appear to make inroads this week to improve mental health care for first responders, that should extend to civvy pilots working in govt role, including aerial fire fighting IMHO.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 08:20
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Photos have emerged of the first 2 machines.

SN 31878 - General Duties in Blue/White Livery
SN 31885 - Special Operations in Grey Livery

Photo credit as marked.



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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 18:04
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Really? I wouldn't be so sure. Fenestron on the N3 needs more maintenance than it should, courtesy of issues that the 155 had. And then there is the god awful autopilot. That thing is horrible to fix when it breaks.
The 139 gets good dispatch reliability from people who know how to maintain it.
It is still one of the most simple machines I've ever worked on mechanically. It's just that it's bigger. And once you get used to the fact that the whole electrical system is DC, avionics issues are much easier to sort out. People are scared of it because they think it is hard to maintain. It isn't.
I hope they've checked that the helipads they use are rated for it. They wouldn't be the first operator to buy the 139 and then have to land next to the helipad. LOL.
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