EC-135 crashes into ocean near Port Hedland off Western Australias Pilbara coast
Perth Radio 6PR reporting this morning (Tues 20th) that the wreckage was recovered yesterday, and that the ATSB will be investigating.
That is all.
That is all.
It is now posted here:
https://thewest.com.au/news/pilbara/...-ng-b88779917z
Helicopter wreck recovered from ocean off Port Hedland
Why does the press keep referring to the unfortunate pilot as being a "trainee"?
I am damn sure that he was well qualified before being let anywhere near such an operation. Just as I am sure that he was HUET trained as well.
RIP mate.
https://thewest.com.au/news/pilbara/...-ng-b88779917z
Helicopter wreck recovered from ocean off Port Hedland
Why does the press keep referring to the unfortunate pilot as being a "trainee"?
I am damn sure that he was well qualified before being let anywhere near such an operation. Just as I am sure that he was HUET trained as well.
RIP mate.
...because they don't know any better & couldn't be bothered to educate themselves before going to print. Those of us that do know better afford him the respect he deserves, & the respect of your peers is what counts.
Both pilots on board obviously highly experienced.
Night ships - one of the most demanding flying tasks I’ve done.
Can anyone confirm which pilot was carrying out the check ride, and by default which one was being checked?
Rumors, fueled by aforementioned ignorant and lazy press are conflicting.
Night ships - one of the most demanding flying tasks I’ve done.
Can anyone confirm which pilot was carrying out the check ride, and by default which one was being checked?
Rumors, fueled by aforementioned ignorant and lazy press are conflicting.
We'll soon find out as I believe there was one survivor - no?
Until then, my ten cents is that they were transitioning to the hover or doing a dummy approach and failed to arrest the residual descent at the end. That's probably why there is a survivor.
Until then, my ten cents is that they were transitioning to the hover or doing a dummy approach and failed to arrest the residual descent at the end. That's probably why there is a survivor.
Bristows had a Puma splash in on a night pilot positioning trip some years ago. One of the pilots described it me as a straightforward approach and then, Bang, they were in the water.
For what it's worth, when I did them I would approach from 45 degrees from the stern. This gave me a good angular view of the whole ship, aim at the bow and the stern will be there when you arrive, plus an easy overshoot into clear air up to the last moment before the hover.
For what it's worth, when I did them I would approach from 45 degrees from the stern. This gave me a good angular view of the whole ship, aim at the bow and the stern will be there when you arrive, plus an easy overshoot into clear air up to the last moment before the hover.
Bristows had a Puma splash in on a night pilot positioning trip some years ago. One of the pilots described it me as a straightforward approach and then, Bang, they were in the water.
For what it's worth, when I did them I would approach from 45 degrees from the stern. This gave me a good angular view of the whole ship, aim at the bow and the stern will be there when you arrive, plus an easy overshoot into clear air up to the last moment before the hover.
For what it's worth, when I did them I would approach from 45 degrees from the stern. This gave me a good angular view of the whole ship, aim at the bow and the stern will be there when you arrive, plus an easy overshoot into clear air up to the last moment before the hover.
Is anyone using NVG on MPT operations?
And my five cents is that it was a complete surprise to them when they splashed down.
Bristows had a Puma splash in on a night pilot positioning trip some years ago
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24791/199100126.pdf
Talking to a Bristow pilot who was involved in test flying with the ATSB team they came to the conclusion that it was not a result of vortex ring, as the report states, but concluded that they had zeroed out the airspeed and were in fact going backwards, which precipitated the high rate of descent. Bristow pilot involved was surprised when the finding of vortex ring was published, as the test flying was unable to replicate given the prevailing conditions (AUW etc).
Any Puma driver care to comment on the possibility re vortex ring?
But it is not about what happens in any sim, it is about being reported to the general public that the poor sod was a "trainee", which in that context, is easily taken as being an ab initio student pilot that could very well be on his first flight!
As a technicality, I would suggest that a "trainee" is a person to whom a new skill or qualification is being imparted by a "trainer". As distinct from a "check flight" where one qualified pilot, is checking the competence of another qualified pilot. Additionally, in Australia, we have a definition of ICUS (In Command, Under Supervision) ... whereby one pilot is qualified to conduct the flight, but for regulatory, contractual or company requirements, must be supervised by a second (usually more experienced) pilot. Does anyone here know what the nature of this flight was?
I knew one of the Bristow accident pilots, he was my flight instructor. A long time ago now, but I thought he said vortex ring. Both accident pilots were terminated for cause, I think both were eventually re-instated after a long AFAP intervention, with salary arrears paid, but I don't think either ever flew a Bristow helicopter again. Bristow made them a redundancy offer to retire quietly.
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One of them started his own flying school at Jandakot but I've no idea where he is now. The other went back to flying with Bristow, I last saw him in Darwin about 2001. I knew them both well & both said they were in vortex ring. It wasn't a check ride, just 2 captains rostered together but the flying pilot thought he had better follow the Bristow procedure, which was considered bad & not followed by the pilots, but as he had a check pilot with him decided to do their procedure. This procedure was changed!
One of them started his own flying school at Jandakot but I've no idea where he is now. The other went back to flying with Bristow, I last saw him in Darwin about 2001. I knew them both well & both said they were in vortex ring. It wasn't a check ride, just 2 captains rostered together but the flying pilot thought he had better follow the Bristow procedure, which was considered bad & not followed by the pilots, but as he had a check pilot with him decided to do their procedure. This procedure was changed!
Both pilots on board obviously highly experienced.
Night ships - one of the most demanding flying tasks I’ve done.
Can anyone confirm which pilot was carrying out the check ride, and by default which one was being checked?
Rumors, fueled by aforementioned ignorant and lazy press are conflicting.
Night ships - one of the most demanding flying tasks I’ve done.
Can anyone confirm which pilot was carrying out the check ride, and by default which one was being checked?
Rumors, fueled by aforementioned ignorant and lazy press are conflicting.