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Old 30th Dec 2017, 19:35   #1 (permalink)
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412 & ultralight collide in Spain

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Old 30th Dec 2017, 20:11   #2 (permalink)
 
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Thats no Ultralight? It looks like a Stampe or Buecher!
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 20:20   #3 (permalink)
 
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Casualties ?
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 20:48   #4 (permalink)
 
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Looks like an ultralight Bucker Jungmann copy...
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 20:58   #5 (permalink)
 
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That 412 must have been some ride....TR gone as well
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Shows just how tough the 412 truck is!!
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 22:12   #7 (permalink)
 
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its a bucker jungmann
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 22:24   #8 (permalink)
 
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I think I shall have a double whisky tonight!

That is quite rare for the helicopter to come out the better in a Mid-Air with an Airplane.
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 23:46   #9 (permalink)
 
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Did this happen on the ground/ low hover, or in cruise flight?
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 02:22   #10 (permalink)


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It would take a lot of convincing to convince me that 412 was in the air at point of impact and was landed under any sense of control by the pilot. Also, have a look at the horizontal stabilizers on the tail boom...with those disconnected and flapping in the breeze, the TR missing, and half a main rotor blade missing, no way.
Now, if it were a 212...just bog out the dent and continue on with the job.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 02:54   #11 (permalink)
 
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It would take a lot of convincing to convince me that 412 was in the air at point of impact and was landed under any sense of control by the pilot. Also, have a look at the horizontal stabilizers on the tail boom...with those disconnected and flapping in the breeze, the TR missing, and half a main rotor blade missing, no way.
Now, if it were a 212...just bog out the dent and continue on with the job.
Agreed. No way that the 412 was flying. MAYBE it was in the hover, but even that I can't see ending up with the body still in one piece, spinny-side up.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 02:58   #12 (permalink)
 
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Any idea when this happened? A quick google search comes up blank.

I just did some more digging, and compiled all the photos I came across. It seems that the 412 pilot was fine, but the ultralight pilot was seriously injured.


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Old 31st Dec 2017, 05:46   #13 (permalink)


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That photo in #12 shows a very round circle carved out of the dirt with the cross tubes collapsed on the left side and a small pile of dirt that the right skid has bulldozed. Part of the left skid is off to the right of the helicopter. So they've done a wicked clockwise 180 (or more) with virtually no lateral movement. There wouldn't be enough TQ to do that if they were just sitting on the ground flat pitch when the TRGB departed the scene. It also tells me the engines were driving the rotors at ground contact, so the aircraft was not in auto-rotation following an in-flight collision. My guess is they were light on the skids about to take-off or land. It's very puzzling how the control tube that connects to the horizontal stab might have let go during the accident sequence.

Very expensive. Sudden stoppage inspection + that whole power train would need to be replaced, etc.

https://www.aviation-safety.net/wiki....php?id=203604

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It might be on or near an airport? Look at the red/white markings on the fence...

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Old 31st Dec 2017, 06:52   #15 (permalink)
 
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Looks very much to me as though the 412 was assaulted from behind by the Jungmann while on the ground but, definitely with rotors running. May well have been light on the skids and has definitely spun around

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The English translation on this site Herido el piloto de un ultraligero al chocar contra un helicóptero que volvía del incendio de Culla | Radio Valencia | Cadena SER. Says the plane hit the tail at ten metres high
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its a bucker jungmann
It's an ultralight copy of a Bucker Jungmann...
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 10:45   #18 (permalink)
 
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Looks like the ultralight has landed on top of the helo.
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It's happened before.
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Presumably one of these: http://www.bueckerundfunk.de/index_h...16.11.2014.pdf
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