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Old 31st Dec 2017, 20:31   #21 (permalink)
 
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It has happened before (2), although as I recall the Robbie bashing ppruners were cheering for the airplane that time.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 22:00   #22 (permalink)
 
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Isnt that the one where that discredited female round the world pilot ran into it?
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 01:52   #23 (permalink)
 
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Isn't that the one where that discredited female round the world pilot ran into it?
Sure is.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 01:58   #24 (permalink)


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She could have done a better job of it, there is still another 2/3rd's of that R-whatever-it-is that needs a bit of a touch-up.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 10:17   #25 (permalink)
 
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Back to the main thread....this accident is at Inaers main base at Mutchamaxel outside Alicante and appears to be on rough ground away from the hard standing apron and at the east end of the field beyond the hard runway I have never seen the helicopters touch down in that area which suggests the 412 was at least hover taxiing at the time.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 14:01   #26 (permalink)
 
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In the FWIW and total conjecture departments: perhaps the collision only destroyed the the tail rotor and empennage, and perhaps the main rotors were damaged by contact with the ground. No doubt any landing with that kind of damage to the tail must have been in the "exciting" category, and it would not be unreasonable that the helicopter touched down spinning in an un-level attitude, thereby allowing substantial main rotor contact with the ground.

However it happened, good luck and good flying on the part of the helicopter crew, certainly!
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:38   #27 (permalink)
 
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To the comments on 212 vs 412. ( flown a 212, never flown a 412 ). Teetering 2 blade main rotor vs a soft in-plane 4 blade rigid rotor.

With the TR and its gearbox laying on the ground, the aircraft CG has to shift forward, and the additional head moment available on the 412 has to be a huge benefit from that single point of view. Not the only factor, of course.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 15:12   #28 (permalink)
 
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412 Head Moment

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Great observation and I agree. (Probably indicates low height hover for the 412 which would also mean one would require the quick control response from large head moment) Also; MR blades from the 412 look like more damage than ground contact. Ground wouldn't cause damage to all four MR blades from mid-span to tip (in my estimation) Just some thoughts. Otter

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 17:44   #29 (permalink)
 
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As I posted in thread 16 in the Spanish newspaper article they say or infer they hit at 10 metres high , " the robustness of the helicopter allowed it to land "
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 19:13   #30 (permalink)
 
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001, if the situation began at 10 meters, one would have to say the crew did very well indeed. The landing was flat, spread the skids just a little, did not apparently bend the tail boom, and the main rotorhead/transmission were not displaced forward*. Thus: not really hard.The swerve made by the skids indicated a landing with power, which, given they had lost a good deal of available rotor lift due to rotor impact damage was a far better alternative than chopping the throttles in response to the yaw that had to have taken place when the TR left the ship. Yes, perhaps that was instinct on their part, but all I’m noting is that they didn’t make any bad moves.
*a result common to a very good number of Vietnam era hard vertical crashes in a similar model wherein the main rotorhead and transmission pitched forward into the cabin/cockpit areas. BTW, this is not a criticism of the Bell UH-1 B,C,D and H designs. Remember, the basic UH-1 ( YH-40 actually ) design was for a med-evac requirement prior to that war starting.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 07:58   #31 (permalink)
 
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Un ultraligero colisiona contra un helicóptero en el aeródromo de Mutxamel - INFORMACIÓN.es


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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 08:04   #32 (permalink)
 
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Two news articles with a little more detail:

Scottish Daily Record - Rally legend Colin McRae's mentor dies in horror air crash

The Scottish Sun - Scottish rally champion dies in horror flying accident in Spain
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 09:29   #33 (permalink)
 
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So with the picture of #31 I would say, the biplane hit the helicopter and not vice versa as mentioned in these articles.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 09:43   #34 (permalink)
 
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Yes, sounds like a low altitude version of the UK Waddesdon mid air 6 weeks ago. But with a far bigger heli.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 10:41   #35 (permalink)
 
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I can understand the plank needing to line up on the runway, but a helicopter could do a parallel approach to avoid this situation...
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 12:09   #36 (permalink)
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Reminiscent of the Tiger Moth/Jet Ranger accident at Biggin Hill in 1977 - had the 412 just lifted off?
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Reminiscent of the Tiger Moth/Jet Ranger accident at Biggin Hill in 1977 - had the 412 just lifted off?
According to the news report now up on the BBC it seems so.

The relevant section is "His son Quintin said: "My dad was on final approach to land and was approximately 100ft from the runway.

"He had right of way and was committed to land.

"The helicopter took off underneath him and made contact with his aircraft."
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I find it quite troubling that Colin McRea's mentor should die in such circumstances

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I find it quite troubling that Colin McRea's should die in such circumstances
It quite clearly states who died, condolences to the family
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Yes, sounds like a low altitude version of the UK Waddesdon mid air 6 weeks ago. But with a far bigger heli.
Second to that... Tragic similarity toWaddesdon case
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