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Old 6th Oct 2017, 10:08
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Squeaks and Brother...

I’ve read the disclaimer at the top of the page and it says “pprune”, part of which I believe means rumour.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 11:03
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I’ve read the disclaimer at the top of the page and it says “pprune”, part of which I believe means rumour.
Even if there is a rumour of logos I can give you fact, no logos on seats no logos painted on the aircraft.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 08:56
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Hi Wrecker

nothing to do with overrun mate, you should stop listening the voices in your head. while chucking stones, you might want to check your aircraft, you may not know what you dont know

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Old 13th Oct 2017, 10:05
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The brave new business model seems to relay on one “dinosaur company”* covering SAR, and another doing rig flights for them, while the “leaders” in the race to the bottom remind the client how cheap they are.

Or are these facts voices in my head?

* previously referred to as capable, professional, complient, etc
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 11:10
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The issue with the aircraft stuck offshore is due to a Sikorsky manufacturing non-conformance on the pump splines. Sikorsky doesn't seem to think it's a major issue, but certain people in CASA are making a big show of it...
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due to a Sikorsky manufacturing non-conformance on the pump splines.
Correct rrekn and all aircraft are now back in Broome following the approval of Sikorsky and CASA.

I hope BRS and CHC have checked their 92s.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Brother
Correct rrekn and all aircraft are now back in Broome following the approval of Sikorsky and CASA.

I hope BRS and CHC have checked their 92s.
Why did the aircraft have to wait until there was approval from Sikorsky and CASA to get back to Broome? As I understand it (admittedly from this thread) the aircraft were grounded by their own company. Given the chamfer characteristic is widely understood not to be a safety-of-flight issue, what does this have to do with BRS and CHC?
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Originally Posted by Hattori Hanzo
Why did the aircraft have to wait until there was approval from Sikorsky and CASA to get back to Broome? As I understand it (admittedly from this thread) the aircraft were grounded by their own company. Given the chamfer characteristic is widely understood not to be a safety-of-flight issue, what does this have to do with BRS and CHC?
I’m not sure.
Maybe trying to deflect the embarrassment caused by BRS and CHC doing the flights HNZ were contracted (oh so cheaply) to do?

The brave new world “budget” model may not work so well when the premium providers are forced from the market by the race to the bottom, and no longer able to step in to get the job done.

Getting the job actually done, doesn’t seem to be a priority anymore. Not something worth paying extra for.

Along with complying with the country’s Aviation regulations, it’s become second to “cheap”.

It’s amazing that winching without correct approval, or whatever has caused the extensive SAR contract delay, wasn’t stopped by “Bow ties”, “step back 5” or the wearing of hi vis vests!
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 09:40
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It will inevitably come back and bite someone in the a*se sooner or later, then there will be a witch-hunt to find a scapegoat.

Let's just hope it doesn't come at the cost of a life or lives that would have been saved if a competent operator had the contract.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 10:55
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Getting the job actually done, doesn’t seem to be a priority anymore. Not something worth paying extra for.
I wasnt going to comment but you blokes are making me laugh so much i cant get to sleep for my early shift. PHI and HNZ, both in business 60 years incapable of providing sar and BRS the only ones who know what they are doing? and pay extra to get the job done? maybe that's why BRS is losing all its work.

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this a basically a repeat of your last post, are you ok or do you need to the clock test?
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Crab

this a basically a repeat of your last post, are you ok or do you need to the clock test?
because some of us think it is actually quite important and the company you say is competent, still ISN'T providing the contracted service.

I hope you are still laughing when someone ditches and needs SAR cover at night.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 12:39
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because some of us think it is actually quite important and the company you say is competent, still ISN'T providing the contracted service.
What is the contracted service Crab?
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 19:29
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As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 19:51
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At the moment I don’t think it matters what the requirements are. They aren’t providing anything remotely SAR like.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 23:20
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Originally Posted by industry insider
What is the contracted service Crab?
Insider - if you remember way back at the start of this thread.....HNZ’s own press release from Don Wall, President and Chief Executive Officer of HNZ Group said -
“We are very excited to expand our S-92 operations in Broome to include full all-weather search and rescue services.”

So apparently the contracted service is for full all weather search and rescue.

You may have to scroll back some time in the thread as the “very excited” Mr Wall made that statement in May. I wonder how thrilled he is now?
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 23:48
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.

As I'm reliably informed by a mate next door, BRS would have had 24/7 AWSAR in place by now. Which was certainly something I was looking forward to having available, given the number of offshore flights we are doing, to effectively the middle of nowhere, cyclone season almost upon us and thousands of workers offshore.


As anyone who has crewed 24/7 AWSAR in the past will know it is 10 times more involved and difficult than LIMSAR, given the requirements for a bunch of gap analysis, risk assessments, CASA manual approvals and CASA exemptions etc. If HNZ are struggling to get day only LIMSAR up and running some 6 months late they will be in for a big shock when they move onto AWSAR, it just ain't easy and nor should it be, compared to offshore flights it has a significantly higher risk profile.


It can take months just to get exemptions trough CASA legal and then parliament, which cant be submitted until all manuals, training material etc is fully CASA approved. I cant see the service being available until the back end of next year, which is a shame. If there is anytime its needed that time is now, as Crab rightly points out we just have to hope that no ditching occurs on one of the later afternoon runs, a man overboard offshore at night or a serious injury on one of the many support vessels without a helideck.


Personally I don't like leaving things to chance.....anyway here's hoping!!
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 23:54
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Originally Posted by trackdirect
Why is it that HNZ are always asking for rated guys, is no one willing to train anyone anymore? Can't expect to pay peanuts and not invest in training staff, only trying to poach rated guys from other contracts so they can keep profits high!!

Those days are long gone....
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 01:01
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Originally Posted by Brother
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I wasnt going to comment but you blokes are making me laugh so much i cant get to sleep for my early shift. PHI and HNZ, both in business 60 years incapable of providing sar and BRS the only ones who know what they are doing? and pay extra to get the job done? maybe that's why BRS is losing all its work.

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this a basically a repeat of your last post, are you ok or do you need to the clock test?
You can debate whether HNZ are capable of providing the service. What is fact is they are relying on others to provide the service currently. Even had CHC providing basic Rig day transfers in the last few days, I understand. (Due the S92 issue)

As far as “paying extra to get the job done”.
Surely the client has paid (the “new era” cheap) price to get the job done(SAR and transfers). When HNZ can’t do it (temporarily we would assume), someone is paying (extra) BRS and CHC to do it.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 04:11
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Is the Broome operation/contracts unique in having an AWSAR requirement?
Of all the offshore locations I've worked, plus those of pilots who I've trained, not one of those gigs had an AWSAR requirement. Limited night offshore MEDEVAC capability was the maximum extent of any requirement, no SAR, no winching, nothing. Just fly out to the rig/s at night under IFR weather and recover a patient to shore. The offshore workers understood this, that's why they're on the big bucks.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 04:35
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As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.
Because your only source of [questionable] information is Pprune.
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