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Old 1st Oct 2017, 08:53
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It is barking mad - someone will get hung drawn and quartered if there is an incident/accident that needs a full SAR response and people die
Crab, you are speaking rubbish based on your limited industry knowledge outside England.

There is no regulatory requirement for Full SAR or any SAR in Australia. Oil companies provide Dedicated Lim SAR equipped aircraft with crew on site, 24 hour medevac cover incorporating Doctor and Paramedic on the helicopter as well as a 24 hour dedicated standby medical jet service also medically crewed.

Full SAR is a nice to have. With the above in place funded by industry on a “voluntary” basis, no one is going to get hung drawn and quartered.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 09:19
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Just because it's not required by regulations doesn't make it right, I wouldn't want to bet the coroner will always take the same view!
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 10:39
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When I saw your moniker 'industry insider' i naively thought that we might get an answer to some of the questions.
Its good to know that boats don't sink at night, people don't fall over board after sunset, and nobody gets ill on a vessel without a deck after 6pm. Oh yeah and the weather is always good in Australia at night too.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 11:05
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Regardless, I.I. is quite right about the SAR support here in Oz. We're not supported in any way, shape or form in the manner that you may be used to in the UK before or after CivSAR came about.

Indeed, primary responsibility for SAR in most States is held by the State police force regardless of the capability or otherwise of their air assets. The coroner would be most unlikely to make an adverse finding because of a shortfall in a private company funded system.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 11:38
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On these multi billion dollar projects in places as extremely remote as the Browse basin the duty and onus of care for the welfare of the offshore workers should reside with the project leads.

Last time I flew past Browse Island I certainly didn't see a police station!
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 12:21
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Shell did set a precedence with the EC 225 AWSAR. HNZ did win the tender with a transitional bid. Unfortunately for them and Shell (& lastly, in the corporate minds, the offshore worker) this service had been a little slow in getting off the ground. If Shell were serious about safety, then they would have at least a medivac aircraft stationed offshore. This would half the time that it would take to recover a casualty to the beach..
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 12:37
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Industry Insider - a quick look at the Shell Australia website sees them (and their partner at the time CHC) proudly proclaiming an AWSAR service in Broome from 2015. Shell's contract for covering the Prelude FLNG was for AWSAR, so it appears they were willing to pay for an AWSAR service. Perhaps their partner in this joint venture doesn't agree and its them that talked the quality down?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 13:42
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Numpty, the UK version of that - Jigsaw - didn't really take-off (no pun unintended...). I understand that the concept was for several helos off shore but it settled with one, based a platform on occasions but more often back at Aberdeen.
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Originally Posted by Always look on the
Numpty, the UK version of that - Jigsaw - didn't really take-off (no pun unintended...). I understand that the concept was for several helos off shore but it settled with one, based a platform on occasions but more often back at Aberdeen.
It did seem to take off in Norway..


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Old 1st Oct 2017, 21:18
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But when they were required to do some actual SAR, they didn't perform very well.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 22:53
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But when they were required to do some actual SAR, they didn't perform very well.
You really do seem to be a bitter old man Crab....
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 03:27
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Originally Posted by hookesjoint

Last time I flew past Browse Island I certainly didn't see a police station!
We never flew past: always had to land and pump fuel

But what that has to do with the price of fish fillets and this thread......
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 03:44
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Your comment John re the ridiculous situation whereby the state police having primacy for SAR response with no appropriate assets and the nearest location 400+ kms away from the Browse patch.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 08:48
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None I would think, certainly of the larger or more complex contracts - the proof is in the on time delivery; as to the maturity and true capability of the organisation.
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None I would think, certainly of the larger or more complex contracts - the proof is in the on time delivery; as to the maturity and true capability of the organisation.
I disagree on your viewpoint.

HNZ has a global reach now with crew change contracts in Australia partnered with PHI and the now famous SAR contract. They have contracts in Asia and until recently in Halifax also teamed with PHI. Remember, HNZ is now a brand as well as just the old HNZ.

Yes, the SAR contract in Australia has been delayed by some unforeseen circumstances but to dismiss HNZ as incapable is foolhardy. Like it or not, HNZ is providing a service that its customers seem to like at a price the customers seem to like. Oil is now set at around $50, noncompetitive operators who misjudge their competition will be the losers.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 12:11
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That global reach doesn’t seem to help!
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 13:33
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Numpty Aussie - not bitter, just a SAR professional who is tired of companies/outfits claiming, under false pretenses, to have what for many of us were hard-won experiences, skills and abilities.

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Like it or not, HNZ is providing a service that its customers seem to like at a price the customers seem to like
that's exactly the point - they are NOT providing the service that their customers asked for.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:16
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Your comment John re the ridiculous situation whereby the state police having primacy for SAR response
Certainly was the case in my part of Oz, they would call in the necessary assets needed to effect rescue, and exercised control. They had a unit dedicated to the SAR management role. Could have changed since my day.

https://www.amsa.gov.au/search-and-r...-in-australia/
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 10:30
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Originally Posted by 332tiger
Inpex aviation managers have been protecting HNZ/PHI since the start, even not allowing SHELL auditors to audit HNZ/PHI when they were in Broome auditing CHC and BRS earlier in the year.
332tiger, that statement is manifestly untrue. I'd be very careful saying such things, especially given the Announcement at the head of every forum: Notice regarding post responsibility and anonymity
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 10:43
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HNZ have partnered with a Japanese company (even went to trouble of getting "INPEX" embroidered on passenger seats and painted on the airframes)
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I fly these aircraft every day and do the preflight pilot inspection. Theres no INPEX logo painted on them at all and no logo sewn into the seats.
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