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Greece Seismic Project

Old 14th Feb 2017, 17:52
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Greece Seismic Project

Some info and most importantly Questions for the knowledgeable people that frequent Rotorheads!

1. There may be a seismic project in Greece starting this summer and running over two seasons. Seismic (as many know, and just as many or more don't) requires the use of specialized equipment (navigation and external load) and vertical reference long line skills + production speed.

Q: Does any such equipment and skillset exist in Greece currently?

2. I'm from Canada and have worked on these programs in a half dozen countries outside of North America, because most of the equipment and techniques have been pioneered in Canada or the US.

Q: Is it possible to use C or N registered aircraft in Greece under the auspices of a project that will already require foreign involvement (since the seismic work itself will require special crews and equipment from elsewhere - only oil and gas producing countries have that level of expertise generally) or under European rules can aircraft and personnel say from Switzerland or Austria (just examples) conduct operations in Greece?

3. The work would likely include production drill moves, which is one of, if not "the" toughest jobs there is to do with a helicopter.

Q: Are pilots that can sling 3000lb drills as fast as the helicopter will go, while being fully compliant with safety rules available in Greece, or elsewhere, that can work unfettered in Greece?

Q: If these pilots exist are any available for a 5-month program in 2017 and a repeat in 2018?

4. In most countries the Bell 212 has been the workhorse of drill moving, except maybe in Canada where the 205 is the choice and the twin requirements are non-existent.

Q: Do operators in Greece or nearby (with the ability to work in Greece) run 212's or other aircraft that would all be set up for vertical reference work while also being able to handle 3000+ lb loads?

As you can tell I am ignorant of what it takes to work in Greece, or Europe in general. Personnel make or break these types of projects and it takes years to acquire the expertise required, therefore making safety and efficiency both depend on the skillset of the pilot.

Thanks for any and all help!

HV
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 17:58
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Agrarflug in Germany

205, 212, 412.

Startpage - Agrarflug Helilift : Agrarflug Helilift
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 19:25
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check your PM's please,
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 19:30
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While seismic itself is mainly conducted using AS350'S, I assume the 212 might be better suited due to its higher load capacity.

I strongly recommend using Agrarflug-i work for them part time, and they are THE specialists when it comes to utility work in Europe...

I have done those projects for oil and gas before (e.g. for Rio Tinto in Congo and CAR), so let me know if you need someone for this project...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 07:45
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re

Try also Heli Austria they have a superpuma
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:26
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Pumas are a bit of an overkill for seismic..too big for bird towing.....and the loads (drills, pumps, generators) are usually small and lightweight, which is why they usually use AS350 for that...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:31
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Yes you are right I always did it with B3e,but the request is 3000lb or plus that means you are quiet overweight for B3 considering working over 3000 ft and hight temp
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:23
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Of the 21 summers I've spent in Greece there have 21 major fire events which are primarily dealt with by their own Canadair and Puma fleets supplemented with externally contracted rotary wing aircraft - mainly Skycranes from the US, but Russia, Germany and Italy have been known to offer their hardware (Mil, MH).

There is not much of a private helicopter industry in Greece, and I would not imagine they would put up barriers to any foreign group who is able to assist them in their economic development.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 12:12
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With a 3000lbs requirement, the AS is out of the game....

A lightweight 212 in VFR configuration weighs under 7000 lbs, giving you 4000-4600 (depending on the empty weight) load.....
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 15:57
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Yes the 3000 lbs represents a 2-pick compressor and drill combination. 205s or 212s are what generally conduct that part of the operation in most countries. The geophones and batteries, cables, etc are generally moved with Intermediate aircraft from 206s to 407s with every Airbus product in there too, depending on locale.

I've received some good PMs and appreciate the help!

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 07:31
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Heliportable operations.

As350 B2 to 7000ft. Worldwide.

Lifting heli-rig @ 530kg & compressor halves @ 550kg each. Baskets and fuels. Magazines (day boxes) on daisy chains.

Above 7000ft BK117 to 11000ft. (with seats etc out.)

With 150ft longline.

B3, 407 or BK117 ideally. BK good for pax and lining.

212 to big and rotorwash a factor.

As a loadmasters/drillers opinion not a pilots!

Plenty of top pilots and machines well capable in my part of the world.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 09:47
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Seismic Driller...if you read well the post of Harmonic Vibe the request is 3000Lb means they want pick in single shot compressor and drill comb.At 3000 Lb you are at the limit of B3e, you still can do it but is very very hard in days with no wind and hot.
Just for your info in not only your part of the world that are doing such jobs!!
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Greece can get pretty hot in Summer....that´s a consideration as well..
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 21:07
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212's are definitely not too big and the downwash on a 150 line is minimal, and doesn't even hit the driller if there's any wind at all... just sayin'! 120 moves per day at 5-7000 feet sometimes with a 212 so I'm fairly certain it works!

A B3e will do 3000 lbs at a couple thousand feet in the summer??? Holy cow is all I can say!
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 06:39
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we work under a 204, anything from 20' to 200' and there is nothing wrong with the rotor wash. A BK has a far nastier rotor wash to be in.

Love to see a B3 do 3000lbs, I hear all the stories, but i haven't seen it happen yet. I had to go do some lifts up a mountain last year as they tried but couldn't lift them with the B3, ended up being 800 and 900 kg, and only about 6000', and this in NZ, we don't really have summer down here.
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