Robinson helicopters added to safety watchlist
So, another don't for the list when flying a Robbie
Every time I even see a Robbie....I head to my fav Burger Bar and order up a Double Whopper with Cheese with a Large order of Fries and wash it down with a Chocolate Milkshake to ensure I cannot fit inside one of the things.
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If Kiwi's can't handle little old Robbie then stop fly them!
If slowing down in turbulence is to much of a burden, then stop flying a machine that requires it!
If you don't like the design of the rotor head, then stop your bitching and go fly go something whose rotor head design makes you feel nice and comfy!
If slowing down in turbulence is to much of a burden, then stop flying a machine that requires it!
If you don't like the design of the rotor head, then stop your bitching and go fly go something whose rotor head design makes you feel nice and comfy!
Whatever the actual cause of the Robbie woes are in Kiwi-land, at some point the high accident and fatality rate negate the cost benefits of operating one in a given environment
Continued use by the government departments could also have liability implications if they didn't choose to make the changes they have.
A 9x higher rate of mast bump accidents vs the US is significant, it would seem common sense to invest in machinery that have a more mundane accident history in similar conditions.
Continued use by the government departments could also have liability implications if they didn't choose to make the changes they have.
A 9x higher rate of mast bump accidents vs the US is significant, it would seem common sense to invest in machinery that have a more mundane accident history in similar conditions.
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It is nothing to do with Robbies in NZ. It is a Safety Notice published by Robinson, in June 2017, that the media have just picked up on.
When you read it, it actually isn't anything that pilots aren't already aware of. Passengers can be a distraction. Link here:
https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...6/rhc_sn44.pdf
Not that I'm a big fan of Robbies, but I think the media are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one.
When you read it, it actually isn't anything that pilots aren't already aware of. Passengers can be a distraction. Link here:
https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...6/rhc_sn44.pdf
Not that I'm a big fan of Robbies, but I think the media are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one.
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I just love flying a helicopter that so many internet experts are so affraid of that they feel the need to mock it at every opportunity.
This apprehension of the helmet heads is a never-ending source of amusement for this simple little Robby guy!
This apprehension of the helmet heads is a never-ending source of amusement for this simple little Robby guy!
"I just love flying a helicopter that so many internet experts are so affraid of that they feel the need to mock it at every opportunity. This apprehension of the helmet heads is a never-ending source of amusement for this simple little Robby guy!"
Funny how you call some of the industry's most experienced people here in Rotorheads internet experts. That Robbie Rider is as far from fact as you can get. This isn't facebook and actually knowing who the majority are behind their user names here you are way off base.
Funny how you call some of the industry's most experienced people here in Rotorheads internet experts. That Robbie Rider is as far from fact as you can get. This isn't facebook and actually knowing who the majority are behind their user names here you are way off base.
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"I just love flying a helicopter that so many internet experts are so affraid of that they feel the need to mock it at every opportunity. This apprehension of the helmet heads is a never-ending source of amusement for this simple little Robby guy!"
Funny how you call some of the industry's most experienced people here in Rotorheads internet experts. That Robbie Rider is as far from fact as you can get. This isn't facebook and actually knowing who the majority are behind their user names here you are way off base.
Funny how you call some of the industry's most experienced people here in Rotorheads internet experts. That Robbie Rider is as far from fact as you can get. This isn't facebook and actually knowing who the majority are behind their user names here you are way off base.
Maybe you need a good pair of glasses moron - I never said anything in my post about 212s. You come on here and insult a lot of the industrys most respected pilots and then turn around and take a shot at me for a post I didn't even make, stick to flying your Robbie - ******.
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He doesn't fly Ned. He is someone that has trained and now cant get a job anywhere, and when you see his negative whinging posts on this and other forums(under the same name) you can see why he never has and never will get a job...
The epitome of a "skidbitter"
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It is nothing to do with Robbies in NZ. It is a Safety Notice published by Robinson, in June 2017, that the media have just picked up on.
When you read it, it actually isn't anything that pilots aren't already aware of. Passengers can be a distraction. Link here:
https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...6/rhc_sn44.pdf
Not that I'm a big fan of Robbies, but I think the media are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one.
When you read it, it actually isn't anything that pilots aren't already aware of. Passengers can be a distraction. Link here:
https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...6/rhc_sn44.pdf
Not that I'm a big fan of Robbies, but I think the media are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one.
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Sadly, a lot (not all) of these safety notices remind of plastic bag suffocation warning labels. Not useful for normal folks, vitally important for the insurance and legal industry.
If a Robbie is flown inside the limits, then they're as safe as the next helicopter. Mast bumping isn't unique to the Robinson series. I remember seeing a film made by the US Army about Hueys getting mast bumping.
What FR did was to reduce the cost of entry into helicopter ownership which let more people learn to fly. And when the most important attribute when flying *anything* is a professional, cautious attitude then those who don't bring that to the party put themselves at higher risk.
I'd hazard a guess that any higher accident rate for Robbie is also contributed to by their sheer number - you see a lots of crashes involving Fords and Toyotas, less involving Ferraris and Lamborghinis, but they still happen.
What FR did was to reduce the cost of entry into helicopter ownership which let more people learn to fly. And when the most important attribute when flying *anything* is a professional, cautious attitude then those who don't bring that to the party put themselves at higher risk.
I'd hazard a guess that any higher accident rate for Robbie is also contributed to by their sheer number - you see a lots of crashes involving Fords and Toyotas, less involving Ferraris and Lamborghinis, but they still happen.
Watch the video on Heli henri's NZ Herald link to understand why mast bumping is much more dangerous in a Robbie than other 2-bladed helos!
The problem comes when you use a Robbie in turbulence (just the sort of thing you get in mountain flying) - it isn't built for it which is why the NZ DoC have stopped using it.
Yes, it is a cheap way to get into helicopter flying but it was built as a commuter machine not a training or commercial one.
You can pretend all you like that it is as safe as any other helicopter but only in certain (smooth) conditions and when flown considerately.
The problem comes when you use a Robbie in turbulence (just the sort of thing you get in mountain flying) - it isn't built for it which is why the NZ DoC have stopped using it.
Yes, it is a cheap way to get into helicopter flying but it was built as a commuter machine not a training or commercial one.
You can pretend all you like that it is as safe as any other helicopter but only in certain (smooth) conditions and when flown considerately.
The Robbie faithful always quote the huey video of 40 years ago.
The difference is that the occurrences came to a halt with training.
In a Robbie, despite training and the benefits of all the previous lessons learned, the phenomenon continues to happen every year.
This shouldn't come as a surprise. If Robbie think their pilots need to be reminded about passengers then it's unlikely any other training will stick.
The difference is that the occurrences came to a halt with training.
In a Robbie, despite training and the benefits of all the previous lessons learned, the phenomenon continues to happen every year.
This shouldn't come as a surprise. If Robbie think their pilots need to be reminded about passengers then it's unlikely any other training will stick.
crab, give Simon Spencer-Bower a call in Wanaka. He has over 15,000 hours in Robbies. Over 21000 hours total. In the mountains in NZ. Most of that 15000 is in the R22.
If he isn't the highest time Robbie pilot in the world, he is pretty damn close.
He'll teach you a thing or two about Robbies and give you an honest rundown of their strengths and weaknesses.
If he isn't the highest time Robbie pilot in the world, he is pretty damn close.
He'll teach you a thing or two about Robbies and give you an honest rundown of their strengths and weaknesses.
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Watch the video on Heli henri's NZ Herald link to understand why mast bumping is much more dangerous in a Robbie than other 2-bladed helos!
The problem comes when you use a Robbie in turbulence (just the sort of thing you get in mountain flying) - it isn't built for it which is why the NZ DoC have stopped using it.
Yes, it is a cheap way to get into helicopter flying but it was built as a commuter machine not a training or commercial one.
You can pretend all you like that it is as safe as any other helicopter but only in certain (smooth) conditions and when flown considerately.
The problem comes when you use a Robbie in turbulence (just the sort of thing you get in mountain flying) - it isn't built for it which is why the NZ DoC have stopped using it.
Yes, it is a cheap way to get into helicopter flying but it was built as a commuter machine not a training or commercial one.
You can pretend all you like that it is as safe as any other helicopter but only in certain (smooth) conditions and when flown considerately.
,...but then again I slowed down.
