Greek Apache Helicopter crashes into sea.
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Care to explain the flame out the back of the engine at time 0:06 in the video? Are you still pretty sure they had no engine problems?
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Could that 'flame' simply be a strobe flash and the coming angle simply the result of pulling anything that's left to get away from the water?
Could that 'flame' simply be a strobe flash and the coming angle simply the result of pulling anything that's left to get away from the water?
However, if it was a flame I'm pretty sure there would have been an audible retort too, so hard to imagine why they would have continued?
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However, if it was a flame I'm pretty sure there would have been an audible retort too, so hard to imagine why they would have continued?
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Ok, so the online expert says it's not a strobe and tells us that its the wrong side to be a reflection from the Sun (which is clearly to the 9 0'clock of scene)....
... no smoke, no change of flight path and the manoeuvre continued with, it must have been a bright white no cockpit indications or warnings engine flame then
... no smoke, no change of flight path and the manoeuvre continued with, it must have been a bright white no cockpit indications or warnings engine flame then
so the online expert says it's not a strobe and tells us that its the wrong side to be a reflection from the Sun (which is clearly to the 9 0'clock of scene)....
Actually, looking at the screen shot it looks more like a reflection from something on the far shore - car maybe?
My old wing commander would probably have looked at this low pass near the beach and given the aircraft commander an icy look, asking him if he knew what flat hatting is and why it's not kosher. Not sure how they feel about such things in the Greek forces.
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A steep wing over and course reversal has never featured in any engine failure drill I've ever come across in the thirty seven years I've been flying rotary wing aircraft. A gentle climb to a safe altitude would have been a more normal way to begin dealing with any engine malfunction.
Can someone share a screengrab of this smoke? I can't find it anywhere in the video at 6 secs in. Could be that it's blended in to the back ground, what with him flying 5 ft above the sea and stuff......
Certainly looks like a 'stupid pilot' and not a mechanical failure accident IMHO...
Certainly looks like a 'stupid pilot' and not a mechanical failure accident IMHO...
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Here's another similar accident:
This chap was slightly luckier. Let's hope he reported it so the aircraft could be checked over....
This chap was slightly luckier. Let's hope he reported it so the aircraft could be checked over....
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Hey 212man,
... perhaps it was a flash from the Orford Ness lighthouse
Actually, looking at the screen shot it looks more like a reflection from something on the far shore - car maybe?
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Exactly ....
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It's a strobe. D's and E's have em on both engine cowlings.
They messed up. Plain and simple. But well done convincing the boss it was an engine failure!
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Bunch of people on a beach...
My money's on, cowboy low-level wazz-ex, aggressive pull-up into an attempted wingover. Insufficient height above terra firma reached, resulting impact..luckily, in some ways into water. Their dunker drills now up-to-date.
He opted for engine failure...he should have gone with 'I saw a suspicious vehicle at Ballywhat'sitsname and in manoeuvering crashed in what might have been a wing-over thingy, kinda' He might make 2 star too!
My money's on, cowboy low-level wazz-ex, aggressive pull-up into an attempted wingover. Insufficient height above terra firma reached, resulting impact..luckily, in some ways into water. Their dunker drills now up-to-date.
He opted for engine failure...he should have gone with 'I saw a suspicious vehicle at Ballywhat'sitsname and in manoeuvering crashed in what might have been a wing-over thingy, kinda' He might make 2 star too!
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Interesting!
I am not sure that you can draw any conclusion from this video at all!
The first low level helicopter is a Delta model whilst the second clip in the pull up is an Alpha model followed by the third aircraft crashing is a Delta model.
There are several aircraft being filmed and it may be that the last aircraft is conducting a flyaway after engine failure and is unrelated in dynamics to the other two in the video.
Thoughts?
I am not sure that you can draw any conclusion from this video at all!
The first low level helicopter is a Delta model whilst the second clip in the pull up is an Alpha model followed by the third aircraft crashing is a Delta model.
There are several aircraft being filmed and it may be that the last aircraft is conducting a flyaway after engine failure and is unrelated in dynamics to the other two in the video.
Thoughts?
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I think it was just two. Both zoomed at the shore low level, cam saw 1 pull up , panned to 2 (that did a better maneuver) then back to 1 as they tried to pull out of their messed up RTT. More aggressive than the A model did and from lower altitude, with that big honking FCR on top and all the "longbow" crap... No wonder #1 stuffed it up.
When will crapache drivers stop thinking they are fighter pilots? D's and E's are heavy as hell and don't have the cyclic authority at low airspeed/high GW that they think they do.
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When will crapache drivers stop thinking they are fighter pilots? D's and E's are heavy as hell and don't have the cyclic authority at low airspeed/high GW that they think they do.
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Yet another chandelle/wingover/return to target gone wrong. Rolls out of the manouvre with a high rate of descent, no altitude left to recover, honks in the power and applies aft cyclic. Result is a high coning angle and an attitude change before impact. Bah.