Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

AW139 crash in Kenya

Wikiposts
Search
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

AW139 crash in Kenya

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 21st Sep 2016, 07:36
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: New Zealand
Age: 43
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
311kph, you beat me by 7seconds!
Reafidy is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 07:49
  #62 (permalink)  
hueyracer
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
That bird looks to be like 1 NM away from the chopper!

Again-i smell bs.....the pilots screwed up big time, now trying to come up with an excuse....
 
Old 21st Sep 2016, 07:56
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Location, location - is very important when buying a house.
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A bird strike in the cruise can be very nasty. A bird strike in an OGE hover....hmmmm....
Frying Pan is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 09:29
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Resting in shade
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nobody mentioned bird strike, as i understood, they got scared of it and react as they did...

Now, seeing it, I can understand the scare part.





311kph is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 10:16
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not many birds fly into hovering helicopters. Perhaps following a fishing boat if unlucky.
NRDK is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 10:29
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Location, location - is very important when buying a house.
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exactly! Who would crash a new twin engine multi crew helicopter that was in a stable OGE hover unless the crew were incompetent? I'm not trying to isolate this crew, there's obviously a culture of poor training or at least poor learning in their flying environment.
Frying Pan is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 11:58
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,680
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Won't be much left of the wreckage after that lot loot the area!
Do they have an AAIB (African accident investigation board) over there?

It did seem out of place though didn't it. A £8 million aircraft hovering over a townsville with a GDP of about £100,000. Best reverting to secret police mode amongst the community, torture and bribery - much much cheaper
Thomas coupling is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2016, 12:29
  #68 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Resting in shade
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Won't be much left of the wreckage after that lot loot the area!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQgdZTgpczM
311kph is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2016, 08:20
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
only rumors?..

Uncertified pilot crashed police helicopter | The Star, Kenya
iuk1963 is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2016, 08:34
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,327
Received 622 Likes on 270 Posts
He pushed the wrong lever, members of the investigating team told the Star. As a result, the aircraft lost power, stalled and created a vortex that pulled the Sh683 million chopper down.
incisive, technically correct reporting then...........and if that's what the investigating team said.........
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2016, 11:57
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That article from the Star contains some telling lines.

Five crashes in two months
The toll raises questions about the quality of recruitment and training, among other issues.
The two were among six trainees out of 10 who were considered by the Italian manufacturer not competent to pilot the aircraft — only to be copilots.
Inspector Ndungu ... and engineer Michael Kariuki, who was alsoon board did not provide information. They are understood to have said they could not remember anything.
told investigators Oduk was at the controls and did not know how to respond when a marabu stork flew near
What ails Kenya Police Air Wing? Five crashes in two months
"HOGE, is ... when a chopper appears stationary in the air. It generally requires more power than if it is on the ground.
You could clearly hear the warnings ... and the panicked engineer directing Oduk on what to do
10 pilots, including the head of the Police Air Wing Rogers Mbithi, were trained in Italy for four months from last October to January this year. At the end, Agusta concluded only four had successfully learned to operate the helicopter competently.
Italian pilots left last month following a disagreement with the police, the Star has learnt. One issue they raised was being pressured to take Kenyan pilots on night flights, though they had not clocked the required number of daylight hours.

"They [seconded trainers] were following the book but the Kenyans wanted short cuts,"
Rank, power, nepotism, corruption, staggering arrogance. All the advice and support they could wish for from the world's experts and they behave like that! Will Africa ever learn?
noflynomore is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2016, 13:24
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Devon
Age: 69
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Crash video

Different vantage point. Watch from 0.41
Shows the 139 kick right in the hover, before straightening up and dropping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSbbw3BxL90

Cabby is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.