EC 225 latest ......so quiet
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Originally Posted by MajorLemond
The design has serious flaws, and needs to be redesigned from the ground up.
They can fly massive Mi26’s around without their gearboxes having catastrophic failures and I would imagine the maintanence standards of those aircraft being somewhat diminished compared to western types.
With the budget and resources of Airbus, this should be something easily rectified with an appropriate amount of development and money.
What happens when the next one loses it’s rotors?
They can fly massive Mi26’s around without their gearboxes having catastrophic failures and I would imagine the maintanence standards of those aircraft being somewhat diminished compared to western types.
With the budget and resources of Airbus, this should be something easily rectified with an appropriate amount of development and money.
What happens when the next one loses it’s rotors?
1. Despite some green shoots the E&P market for heavies is down and recovering only very slowly. Most think its halcyon days are gone. The accidents have left the /2 and 225 with a damaged reputation. Only 20 something have yet returned to E&P.
2. It is not economic to embark on a complete redesign at this stage in the product lifecycle. This is compounded by the inability to track down a definitive cause of the current problem.
3. The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena with 54 orders last year and production being scaled-up to meet demand
4. The successor project has been suspended as AH don't think the technology or demand for it is sufficient yet
So it is easier and cheaper for them to play second place in E&P and try and prevent further accidents with the measures they have introduced. They seem to believe they can sleep easily with that and they have much better knowledge of the problem than I. i hope for everyone's sake they are right.
Hopefully the AIBN will find a definitive cause but at the moment their silence is deafening.
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Originally Posted by S92PAX
I haven't really noticed a vibration problem on the S92 - I remember the early Pumas before the pitch reduction shook that much you couldn't read but the S92 cabin is spacious and comfortable.
You wouldn't see a trend about people complaining, you would hear it if you worked amongst them
You wouldn't see a trend about people complaining, you would hear it if you worked amongst them
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The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena
Not a lot has changed over the years.
The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.
Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.
Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.
Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
The Puma, and its successors, has always been a military helicopter. Narrow, so it can fit on to a railway truck, low, so that with the gearbox removed it is tactically air portable with a cabin designed for squaddies to sit in for fifteen minutes before they go to war.
Not a lot has changed over the years.
The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.
Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.
Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.
Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.
Not a lot has changed over the years.
The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.
Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.
Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.
Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.
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Originally Posted by Non-Driver
Interesting. One wonders how they can afford this ?
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Originally Posted by Mee3
on contrary, 225/725 are selling slightly lesser price tag but definitely no where close to 50%. Actually been a good sell for 2 consecutive years.
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ICG Icelandic Coast Guard is getting two H225 Þyrlur Gæslunnar endurnýjaðar langt á undan áætlun: ?Stórt skref fram á við? - Vísir
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Originally Posted by gnow
Just thinking out loud...Would the French oil companies be interested to use "their" machines in future offshore contracts?
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Originally Posted by TipCap
Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
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Tip Cap wrote:
There is a lot of background to this. C'est Team France in action.
As time goes on, more aircraft are being returned to leasing companies. The market is still down, Super Mediums are becoming established where they make sense, in some cases replacing what were 225 contracts. There are spare S-92s available on the market. Many new tenders no longer include the 225 as a qualified type.
Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
As time goes on, more aircraft are being returned to leasing companies. The market is still down, Super Mediums are becoming established where they make sense, in some cases replacing what were 225 contracts. There are spare S-92s available on the market. Many new tenders no longer include the 225 as a qualified type.
