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Old 27th Feb 2018, 14:27
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Originally Posted by MajorLemond View Post
The design has serious flaws, and needs to be redesigned from the ground up.

They can fly massive Mi26s around without their gearboxes having catastrophic failures and I would imagine the maintanence standards of those aircraft being somewhat diminished compared to western types.

With the budget and resources of Airbus, this should be something easily rectified with an appropriate amount of development and money.

What happens when the next one loses its rotors?
Yes but look at it from AH point of view..

1. Despite some green shoots the E&P market for heavies is down and recovering only very slowly. Most think its halcyon days are gone. The accidents have left the /2 and 225 with a damaged reputation. Only 20 something have yet returned to E&P.

2. It is not economic to embark on a complete redesign at this stage in the product lifecycle. This is compounded by the inability to track down a definitive cause of the current problem.

3. The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena with 54 orders last year and production being scaled-up to meet demand

4. The successor project has been suspended as AH don't think the technology or demand for it is sufficient yet

So it is easier and cheaper for them to play second place in E&P and try and prevent further accidents with the measures they have introduced. They seem to believe they can sleep easily with that and they have much better knowledge of the problem than I. i hope for everyone's sake they are right.

Hopefully the AIBN will find a definitive cause but at the moment their silence is deafening.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 17:25
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Originally Posted by S92PAX View Post
I haven't really noticed a vibration problem on the S92 - I remember the early Pumas before the pitch reduction shook that much you couldn't read but the S92 cabin is spacious and comfortable.
You wouldn't see a trend about people complaining, you would hear it if you worked amongst them
But the S-92 has hardly been without its own gearbox failures....
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 17:37
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Of course you are completely correct ShyTorque but I would prefer to travel to my demise in reasonable comfort than squashed like a sardine in a tin.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 19:12
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The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena
The Puma, and its successors, has always been a military helicopter. Narrow, so it can fit on to a railway truck, low, so that with the gearbox removed it is tactically air portable with a cabin designed for squaddies to sit in for fifteen minutes before they go to war.

Not a lot has changed over the years.

The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.

Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.

Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.

Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
The Puma, and its successors, has always been a military helicopter. Narrow, so it can fit on to a railway truck, low, so that with the gearbox removed it is tactically air portable with a cabin designed for squaddies to sit in for fifteen minutes before they go to war.

Not a lot has changed over the years.

The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.

Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.

Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.

Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.
What he said. Except I didn't fly them anywhere near as long as Fareastdriver, thankfully.

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 08:45
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New home for some of the ex-CHC machines:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...opters-449103/
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Non-Driver View Post
New home for some of the ex-CHC machines:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...opters-449103/

Interesting. One wonders how they can afford this ?
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:41
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Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
Interesting. One wonders how they can afford this ?
That's because you don't know the price of a second hand 225 (ex O&G) !
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:52
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BOGOF at the moment, Id imagine.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 17:19
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Originally Posted by Bravo73 View Post
BOGOF at the moment, Id imagine.
on contrary, 225/725 are selling slightly lesser price tag but definitely no where close to 50%. Actually been a good sell for 2 consecutive years.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Mee3 View Post
on contrary, 225/725 are selling slightly lesser price tag but definitely no where close to 50%. Actually been a good sell for 2 consecutive years.
Ooo, so much spin I'm feeling dizzy
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 23:28
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ICG Icelandic Coast Guard is getting two H225 yrlur Gslunnar endurnjaar langt undan tlun: ?Strt skref fram vi? - Vsir
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 00:21
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ERA managed to offload all of their 225s recently
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 03:22
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Ooo, so much spin I'm feeling dizzy
Earth is round and spinning. Hold on tight!
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 14:26
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Just thinking out loud...Would the French oil companies be interested to use "their" machines in future offshore contracts?
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 16:19
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Originally Posted by gnow View Post
Just thinking out loud...Would the French oil companies be interested to use "their" machines in future offshore contracts?
https://www.omnibrasil.com.br/en/not...5-para-a-total

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Old 11th Jun 2018, 11:54
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Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by TipCap View Post
Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
I'm not sure anybody did, and in some countries they never stopped (Vietnam), however I don't think anybody seriously thinks they will appear in the N. Sea again.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 12:40
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Tip Cap wrote:

Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
There is a lot of background to this. C'est Team France in action.

As time goes on, more aircraft are being returned to leasing companies. The market is still down, Super Mediums are becoming established where they make sense, in some cases replacing what were 225 contracts. There are spare S-92s available on the market. Many new tenders no longer include the 225 as a qualified type.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 17:52
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Spare S92's, but no surplus of type rated pilots and companies reluctant to pay for the ratings. Industry is on its head, anyway I digress...
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